Aston Martin DB7, DB9, DBS, Vantage V8, Vanquish, and Classic models

Engine downsizing... ugh!

Thread Tools
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Jan 12, 2015 | 10:10 AM
  #1  
spinecho's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 843
From: pluto
Rep Power: 59
spinecho is a splendid one to beholdspinecho is a splendid one to beholdspinecho is a splendid one to beholdspinecho is a splendid one to beholdspinecho is a splendid one to beholdspinecho is a splendid one to beholdspinecho is a splendid one to beholdspinecho is a splendid one to behold
Engine downsizing... ugh!

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=31473

Twin turbo V6 in a supercar? An American supercar?

Sorry, but less than 8 cylinders for a supercar just turns me right off. A supercar should be exotic and rare and the engine is central to such a car.

The popular idea promoted in the media is that manufacturers are downsizing (cylinders / displacement) and slapping turbos on all their engines to meet emissions and economy targets. Why does this apply to niche models sold in low numbers? Are the targets mandatory for each model sold, or are they averaged across the manufacturer's entire range? If the latter, why are they doing this to the niche models? To be seen as 'socially acceptable' or 'eco-friendly'? Do buyers of niche models really care about / really want this in their supercars?

God, I hope Aston resists this trend for as long as possible, at least in their halo cars.
 
Old Jan 12, 2015 | 11:00 AM
  #2  
karlfranz's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,358
From: Melbourne
Rep Power: 213
karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !
The XJ-220 had 6 cylinders and it was a supercar.
 
Old Jan 12, 2015 | 11:18 AM
  #3  
spinecho's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 843
From: pluto
Rep Power: 59
spinecho is a splendid one to beholdspinecho is a splendid one to beholdspinecho is a splendid one to beholdspinecho is a splendid one to beholdspinecho is a splendid one to beholdspinecho is a splendid one to beholdspinecho is a splendid one to beholdspinecho is a splendid one to behold
But it was originally supposed to have a 12 cylinder. What a shame...

I didn't say there weren't any supercars in the past with less than 8 cylinders. 959 and GT1 come to mind, as well.

Just my personal preference that a supercar should have an exotic engine, or at least, if the image fits (such as with an American car) a monstrous V8.
 
Old Jan 12, 2015 | 12:51 PM
  #4  
RossL's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 1,031
From: MD
Rep Power: 79
RossL has a reputation beyond reputeRossL has a reputation beyond reputeRossL has a reputation beyond reputeRossL has a reputation beyond reputeRossL has a reputation beyond reputeRossL has a reputation beyond reputeRossL has a reputation beyond reputeRossL has a reputation beyond reputeRossL has a reputation beyond reputeRossL has a reputation beyond reputeRossL has a reputation beyond repute
The Mustang has a V8....How can the GT not have a V8
 
Old Jan 12, 2015 | 02:43 PM
  #5  
Racer_X's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,266
From: whereabouts unknown
Rep Power: 120
Racer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud of
Originally Posted by spinecho
. . . Why does this apply to niche models sold in low numbers? Are the targets mandatory for each model sold, or are they averaged across the manufacturer's entire range? If the latter, why are they doing this to the niche models? To be seen as 'socially acceptable' or 'eco-friendly'? Do buyers of niche models really care about / really want this in their supercars?

. . . .
I wonder about the same things. It's not like these cars are going to be sold in any number that would effect anything.

Also, turboed cars burn lots of gas too when driven like you'd expect a GT to be driven. At least in part, turbo cars do well in emissions tests because the tests are run at RPM levels at which the turbos aren't spooled up.
 
Old Jan 12, 2015 | 04:11 PM
  #6  
deckman's Avatar
Registered User
15 Year Member
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,699
From: MD
Rep Power: 173
deckman Is a GOD !deckman Is a GOD !deckman Is a GOD !deckman Is a GOD !deckman Is a GOD !deckman Is a GOD !deckman Is a GOD !deckman Is a GOD !deckman Is a GOD !deckman Is a GOD !deckman Is a GOD !
Aren't F1's just 1.6 litre and turbocharged now? They're pretty exotic!!
 
Old Jan 12, 2015 | 05:22 PM
  #7  
Racer_X's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,266
From: whereabouts unknown
Rep Power: 120
Racer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud of
^^^Yeah, but they sound like sh#t. Seriously, many (me included) bemoan the change to turbocharged engines in F1. Just not the same....
 
Old Jan 12, 2015 | 09:02 PM
  #8  
Bleen's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 431
From: Glendale, CA
Rep Power: 35
Bleen is a glorious beacon of lightBleen is a glorious beacon of lightBleen is a glorious beacon of lightBleen is a glorious beacon of lightBleen is a glorious beacon of lightBleen is a glorious beacon of light
I'm more disappointed by the lack of electric motors honestly.
 
Old Jan 12, 2015 | 10:40 PM
  #9  
karlfranz's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,358
From: Melbourne
Rep Power: 213
karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !karlfranz Is a GOD !
It hasn't been said yet, but I think the design is flat-out gorgeous. Would not mind owning one. The original GT40 was the car that made me fall in love with the automobile. I used to play with a diecast model of it (and a DeTomaso Mangusta) when I was a little kid.
 
Old Jan 13, 2015 | 01:07 AM
  #10  
MikeM3's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 10
From: mi
Rep Power: 0
MikeM3 is infamous around these parts
this is why i am slowly not caring about performance like i use to. i can respect these new kind of engines for there huge power while keeping good MPG. but i just cant fall in love with all this downsizing/add turbos to every car. its kind of boring, and lame. Sure a they are powerful engines. but nothing beats the the sound, and raw emotion of a high tuned n/A V8.
 
Old Jan 13, 2015 | 03:43 AM
  #11  
Racer_X's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,266
From: whereabouts unknown
Rep Power: 120
Racer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud ofRacer_X has much to be proud of
Originally Posted by karlfranz
It hasn't been said yet, but I think the design is flat-out gorgeous. Would not mind owning one. The original GT40 was the car that made me fall in love with the automobile. I used to play with a diecast model of it (and a DeTomaso Mangusta) when I was a little kid.
Yeah, it's gorgeous, and really cool. I "wouldn't mind" owning one either. There's just the small issue of the price.

BTW, the XJ-220 was a supercar but was a disappointment because it was originally supposed to have a V12 but ended up being produced with a turbocharged V6.
 

Last edited by Racer_X; Jan 13, 2015 at 03:49 AM.
Old Jan 13, 2015 | 07:23 AM
  #12  
telum01's Avatar
Registered User
15 Year Member
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,366
From: NoVa
Rep Power: 294
telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !
Very cool looking car, but I have to agree that the engine is a disappointment. It's pretty much the same engine being used in all of Ford's cars at this point - nothing exotic about it. For a car to be exotic, it needs a "prestige" engine or cutting-edge drivetrain. Either mate a twin-turbo V6 to some electric motors for a hybrid exotic, or do a forced-induction V8/V12.
 
Old Jan 13, 2015 | 07:37 AM
  #13  
telum01's Avatar
Registered User
15 Year Member
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,366
From: NoVa
Rep Power: 294
telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !telum01 Is a GOD !
Old Jan 13, 2015 | 08:39 AM
  #14  
Irish07@VelocityAP's Avatar
Basic Sponsor
10 Year Member
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,981
From: British Columbia
Rep Power: 208
Irish07@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Irish07@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Irish07@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Irish07@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Irish07@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Irish07@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Irish07@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Irish07@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Irish07@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Irish07@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Irish07@VelocityAP Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by telum01
Very cool looking car, but I have to agree that the engine is a disappointment. It's pretty much the same engine being used in all of Ford's cars at this point - nothing exotic about it. For a car to be exotic, it needs a "prestige" engine or cutting-edge drivetrain. Either mate a twin-turbo V6 to some electric motors for a hybrid exotic, or do a forced-induction V8/V12.
I agree, at least make a echoboostV8 or even go ***** out and do a echoboostV10 and really compete in supercar territory. It's funny how they didn't put this engine tuned like this into the mustang..looks to me like they shot them selves in the foot in trying to keep there performance line balanced between Mustang and GT, why get a V8 mustang when the V6 echo boost can do more for less cost (minus the exhaust note).. Design is gorgeous but engine choice on the other hand, leave it to Ford to screw up an iconic legendary car.. Anyways just my 2cent rant
 
__________________
__________________
Technical Director
Christopher Edgett
Velocity Automotive Performance Limited

214 Maple Ave.
Oliver, B.C
Canada V0H 1T9
Office: (1)250-485-5126
Email: Tuning@VelocityAP.com

www.velocityap.com



Old Jan 13, 2015 | 11:21 AM
  #15  
RolexDaytona1's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 348
From: West Palm Beach FL
Rep Power: 32
RolexDaytona1 has a spectacular aura aboutRolexDaytona1 has a spectacular aura aboutRolexDaytona1 has a spectacular aura about
Glad to see the rant has already started...

Pretty amazing body work….. I like even more what it may do to the value of the last gen... hopefully drive it down. (possibly one of the BEST daily drivable exotics, not counting a 911 Turbo)

Just when you thought Ford couldn’t steal another Aston styling cue…. The front air dam is right out of the new Vanquish parts bin…

I lost my interest when reading the body work wasn’t configured for the last 2 cylinders to fit….

I am still hard over on 8 being the minimum cylinder count for an exotic.
(I'd still have my NSX if it had a V8) I have ownded a string of 6 cyl cars... and all very good cars.
Even Lotus finally yielded with the last gen Esprit. (not saying that was an epic success.... but good indicator of market demand)
Sure ... there are plenty of very high performance (super) cars with less than 8 cylinders.... and none of them sound right to me.

Exotic will no doubt be redefined in the years to come... but I am stuck wanting to hear a real engine note.... (not piped in sounds thru the stereo either!!!)

Maybe someday there will be a kit company selling a retrofit for a crate Chevy 427. ;-)
 

Last edited by RolexDaytona1; Jan 13, 2015 at 11:37 AM.


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:56 AM.