AM Ram Air..?
#1
AM Ram Air..?
New member here. My long time DD has been my beautiful Gerta, a 1985 Porsche 928S. She has been good to me these last 30 yrs. All the feelers are out for a low-mileage '07 - '10 V8 Vantage.
I'm planning on uncorking, 200 cell cats, ECU, K&N, & perhaps some tastefully placed BP graphics...I still have some boy racer in my DNA.
My question is; Gerta has the factory 928S ram air. I know it contributes nicely to stuffing fresh cold air in. Disable the system and performance drops noticeably.Has anyone tried replacing the AM air boxes with a scoop and necessary duct work to force outside air into the MFS?
Thanks & thanks for having me.
I'm planning on uncorking, 200 cell cats, ECU, K&N, & perhaps some tastefully placed BP graphics...I still have some boy racer in my DNA.
My question is; Gerta has the factory 928S ram air. I know it contributes nicely to stuffing fresh cold air in. Disable the system and performance drops noticeably.Has anyone tried replacing the AM air boxes with a scoop and necessary duct work to force outside air into the MFS?
Thanks & thanks for having me.
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New member here. My long time DD has been my beautiful Gerta, a 1985 Porsche 928S. She has been good to me these last 30 yrs. All the feelers are out for a low-mileage '07 - '10 V8 Vantage.
I'm planning on uncorking, 200 cell cats, ECU, K&N, & perhaps some tastefully placed BP graphics...I still have some boy racer in my DNA.
My question is; Gerta has the factory 928S ram air. I know it contributes nicely to stuffing fresh cold air in. Disable the system and performance drops noticeably.Has anyone tried replacing the AM air boxes with a scoop and necessary duct work to force outside air into the MFS?
Thanks & thanks for having me.
I'm planning on uncorking, 200 cell cats, ECU, K&N, & perhaps some tastefully placed BP graphics...I still have some boy racer in my DNA.
My question is; Gerta has the factory 928S ram air. I know it contributes nicely to stuffing fresh cold air in. Disable the system and performance drops noticeably.Has anyone tried replacing the AM air boxes with a scoop and necessary duct work to force outside air into the MFS?
Thanks & thanks for having me.
What will yield results over and above a performance filter is the replacement of the air boxes with a naked cone filter, like on the GT4 Race cars. The downside is that the air filter/box/MAF location is in the fender in front of the wheel, so there is some possibility of water ingress, although pretty unlikely, given the fact that there's an undertray below it.
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Stuart Dickinson
Managing Director
Velocity Automotive Performance Limited
206 Maple Avenue
Oliver, BC
Canada V2A 4W6
Office: (1)250-485-5126
www.velocityap.com
Stuart Dickinson
Managing Director
Velocity Automotive Performance Limited
206 Maple Avenue
Oliver, BC
Canada V2A 4W6
Office: (1)250-485-5126
www.velocityap.com
#3
The intake system on an Aston starts in the grille of the car. The airboxes are at the front of the car, below the headlights. The intake filters are inside of the airboxes, and each airbox has a MAF sensor immediately after it. The ducts from the airboxes join together in a single tube in front of the throttle body, which is bolted directly onto the intake manifold.
If you want to change this setup, you have to re-plumb all of that, which isn't a simple thing to do considering the twin-MAF setup. As it is, it's already something of a ram air setup, but not a direct one.
I've got a video that overviews the intake system that I'm finishing up, it'll be on YouTube in the next day or two.
If you want to change this setup, you have to re-plumb all of that, which isn't a simple thing to do considering the twin-MAF setup. As it is, it's already something of a ram air setup, but not a direct one.
I've got a video that overviews the intake system that I'm finishing up, it'll be on YouTube in the next day or two.
#4
The intake system on an Aston starts in the grille of the car. The airboxes are at the front of the car, below the headlights. The intake filters are inside of the airboxes, and each airbox has a MAF sensor immediately after it. The ducts from the airboxes join together in a single tube in front of the throttle body, which is bolted directly onto the intake manifold.
If you want to change this setup, you have to re-plumb all of that, which isn't a simple thing to do considering the twin-MAF setup. As it is, it's already something of a ram air setup, but not a direct one.
I've got a video that overviews the intake system that I'm finishing up, it'll be on YouTube in the next day or two.
If you want to change this setup, you have to re-plumb all of that, which isn't a simple thing to do considering the twin-MAF setup. As it is, it's already something of a ram air setup, but not a direct one.
I've got a video that overviews the intake system that I'm finishing up, it'll be on YouTube in the next day or two.
#5
AM Ram Air redux
Thank you all for the valuable input. I'll watch for the vid and pull-up an intake diagram (which I should have done already). I'll learn. Mod's on the land shark are just so easy to pick-up an extra 30 hp. test tubes, remove secondary mufflers, DIY ECU upgrade, MB A/T vacuum adjust to "slam-box" & 80mm MAF.
I hope I don't bore anyone with newbie questions.
I hope I don't bore anyone with newbie questions.
#7
My '07 V8 Vantage has Velocity AP headers, RSC 200-cell cats, RSC Supersport muffler, K&N filters, Velocity AP ECU tune, and Velocity AP lightweight flywheel with twin disc clutch. I think that's about $12,000 in parts alone. Adds about 40 hp.
But damn, it goes like stink And sounds like Satan's own chariot
But damn, it goes like stink And sounds like Satan's own chariot
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#8
Thank you once again. I will most likely have more newbie inquiries...and I'll keep all updated during the search...PPI...long trip to the bank...and my shake-down blast to the Maine house.
Cheers'
Cheers'
#9
What will yield results over and above a performance filter is the replacement of the air boxes with a naked cone filter, like on the GT4 Race cars. The downside is that the air filter/box/MAF location is in the fender in front of the wheel, so there is some possibility of water ingress, although pretty unlikely, given the fact that there's an undertray below it.
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Stuart - is the MAF integral to the air box or contained in a tube after the box on the street cars? We've not pulled mine apart yet, but are looking at doing this. Is it possible to set one up with the existing parts minus the box? I understand we will have to fabricate whatever to stabilize the filters, but can the existing electronics be used?
x-chr
x-chr
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Stuart Dickinson
Managing Director
Velocity Automotive Performance Limited
206 Maple Avenue
Oliver, BC
Canada V2A 4W6
Office: (1)250-485-5126
www.velocityap.com
Stuart Dickinson
Managing Director
Velocity Automotive Performance Limited
206 Maple Avenue
Oliver, BC
Canada V2A 4W6
Office: (1)250-485-5126
www.velocityap.com
#12
A joint venture?
Gentlemen, May I propose a joint effort to help us achieve a bunch of small improvements to our V8Vantages:
1. Simplicity/weight reduction. 6' less molded tubing, elimination of 2 thick walled plastic boxes and a bunch of fasteners.
2. Another mechanical sound to add to our exhaust burbles.
3. A shorter intake tract=quicker throttle response...but just a smidge.
4. Easier servicing than OE.
5. Availability of less expensive generic service elements than from our AM dealers.
Telum is making a "how to service" video. He is really good at it. He can make an entertaining technical speech, while, at the same time, maneuvering a camera to illustrate his points, then adds a title page, credits, etc. and mounts it on UTube. And presto there it is on my laptop! (Easy to write, not so easy to do.)
How about you, Stuart, can you create a kit with all the components we need to implement this modification as you describe above.
Then you both retail the kit/video.
What say the two of you?
1. Simplicity/weight reduction. 6' less molded tubing, elimination of 2 thick walled plastic boxes and a bunch of fasteners.
2. Another mechanical sound to add to our exhaust burbles.
3. A shorter intake tract=quicker throttle response...but just a smidge.
4. Easier servicing than OE.
5. Availability of less expensive generic service elements than from our AM dealers.
Telum is making a "how to service" video. He is really good at it. He can make an entertaining technical speech, while, at the same time, maneuvering a camera to illustrate his points, then adds a title page, credits, etc. and mounts it on UTube. And presto there it is on my laptop! (Easy to write, not so easy to do.)
How about you, Stuart, can you create a kit with all the components we need to implement this modification as you describe above.
Then you both retail the kit/video.
What say the two of you?
Last edited by flinder; 11-08-2016 at 11:24 AM. Reason: Added a word, is, to make a sentence more clear,
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Gentlemen, May I propose a joint effort to help us achieve a bunch of small improvements to our V8Vantages:
1. Simplicity/weight reduction. 6' less molded tubing, elimination of 2 thick walled plastic boxes and a bunch of fasteners.
2. Another mechanical sound to add to our exhaust burbles.
3. A shorter intake tract=quicker throttle response...but just a smidge.
4. Easier servicing than OE.
5. Availability of less expensive generic service elements than from our AM dealers.
Telum is making a "how to service" video. He is really good at it. He can make an entertaining technical speech, while, at the same time, maneuvering a camera to illustrate his points, then adds a title page, credits, etc. and mounts it on UTube. And presto there it on my laptop! (Easy to write, not so easy to do.)
How about you, Stuart, can you create a kit with all the components we need to implement this modification as you describe above.
Then you both retail the kit/video.
What say the two of you?
1. Simplicity/weight reduction. 6' less molded tubing, elimination of 2 thick walled plastic boxes and a bunch of fasteners.
2. Another mechanical sound to add to our exhaust burbles.
3. A shorter intake tract=quicker throttle response...but just a smidge.
4. Easier servicing than OE.
5. Availability of less expensive generic service elements than from our AM dealers.
Telum is making a "how to service" video. He is really good at it. He can make an entertaining technical speech, while, at the same time, maneuvering a camera to illustrate his points, then adds a title page, credits, etc. and mounts it on UTube. And presto there it on my laptop! (Easy to write, not so easy to do.)
How about you, Stuart, can you create a kit with all the components we need to implement this modification as you describe above.
Then you both retail the kit/video.
What say the two of you?
Here's an overview of the intake system showing pretty much everything on the V8V:
Last edited by Redpants; 11-08-2016 at 10:11 AM.
#14
Gentlemen, May I propose a joint effort to help us achieve a bunch of small improvements to our V8Vantages:
1. Simplicity/weight reduction. 6' less molded tubing, elimination of 2 thick walled plastic boxes and a bunch of fasteners.
2. Another mechanical sound to add to our exhaust burbles.
3. A shorter intake tract=quicker throttle response...but just a smidge.
4. Easier servicing than OE.
5. Availability of less expensive generic service elements than from our AM dealers.
Telum is making a "how to service" video. He is really good at it. He can make an entertaining technical speech, while, at the same time, maneuvering a camera to illustrate his points, then adds a title page, credits, etc. and mounts it on UTube. And presto there it is on my laptop! (Easy to write, not so easy to do.)
How about you, Stuart, can you create a kit with all the components we need to implement this modification as you describe above.
Then you both retail the kit/video.
What say the two of you?
1. Simplicity/weight reduction. 6' less molded tubing, elimination of 2 thick walled plastic boxes and a bunch of fasteners.
2. Another mechanical sound to add to our exhaust burbles.
3. A shorter intake tract=quicker throttle response...but just a smidge.
4. Easier servicing than OE.
5. Availability of less expensive generic service elements than from our AM dealers.
Telum is making a "how to service" video. He is really good at it. He can make an entertaining technical speech, while, at the same time, maneuvering a camera to illustrate his points, then adds a title page, credits, etc. and mounts it on UTube. And presto there it is on my laptop! (Easy to write, not so easy to do.)
How about you, Stuart, can you create a kit with all the components we need to implement this modification as you describe above.
Then you both retail the kit/video.
What say the two of you?
We pretty much have this done on the turbo car, just need to pattern the parts.
__________________
Stuart Dickinson
Managing Director
Velocity Automotive Performance Limited
206 Maple Avenue
Oliver, BC
Canada V2A 4W6
Office: (1)250-485-5126
www.velocityap.com
Stuart Dickinson
Managing Director
Velocity Automotive Performance Limited
206 Maple Avenue
Oliver, BC
Canada V2A 4W6
Office: (1)250-485-5126
www.velocityap.com
#15
Head starts are great.
Stuart, Happy to hear about your head start on the induction system improvements being proposed. Let's hear it for knowing what to do and how to do it!
All us snow belt people are making ready to take our cars off the road for the winter. I would love to make this upgrade while I am doing my annual service and have it up on jack stands...possible?
All us snow belt people are making ready to take our cars off the road for the winter. I would love to make this upgrade while I am doing my annual service and have it up on jack stands...possible?