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Mansfield 04-09-2017 11:27 AM

Lowering Springs for Trackdays
 
Im looking at changing the springs on my 2007 V8 Vantage for something more suitable for spirited road driving and the odd trackday.

I see Velocity AP do some progressive springs and also H&R to go with the dampers i have. (The dampers are in good condition and have covered just over 10,000 miles)

Is there anyone here that has gone this route and would share your experiences with them on track?

Cheers

zypher84 04-09-2017 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by Mansfield (Post 4625205)
Im looking at changing the springs on my 2007 V8 Vantage for something more suitable for spirited road driving and the odd trackday.

I see Velocity AP do some progressive springs and also H&R to go with the dampers i have. (The dampers are in good condition and have covered just over 10,000 miles)

Is there anyone here that has gone this route and would share your experiences with them on track?

Cheers

haven't tracked mine yet but the Velocity AP springs provide noticeably better handling on the road. they are a bit more than the advertised 7/8" lowering though just fyi.

embdenb 04-09-2017 03:38 PM

Not sure you need to lower the car to be effective at the track. The stock suspension on these vantages is pretty darn good for the occasional track day. Instead you need to concentrate on better brake fluids and better brake pads. The guy you want to talk to is Rich from redpants. He has a 2007 vantage that he regularly takes to the track.

Redpants 04-10-2017 11:32 AM

I've been happy with the H&R springs on track, but they can be tough to live with on the street because they're really low. I'm fine with the trade-off, because the car looks amazing with the lowered stance and the on-track performance has been great so far. But it's hard to recommend them because you really do need to be careful driving with them on the street.
A lot of people also complain about the 'pogo effect' they have with Sport Pack dampers, so I'd avoid the H&R springs if you have those dampers on your car.
I've got a couple sets of coilovers in development right now and they should be ready for me to test at Lime Rock this summer. Hoping to get a nice balance of track performance, street-drivability, and cost.
Haven't used the VelocityAP springs, so unfortunately I can't comment on those.

Stuart@VelocityAP 04-10-2017 03:53 PM

We've had lots of people track their cars with our springs, who have had great success so far, and lots of feedback on improved handling on both the road and track.

If you're looking for a nice improvement without breaking the bank, these are the way to go.

Mansfield 04-11-2017 04:46 AM

Hi Stuart, it would be nice to hear the feed back from these drivers as your springs could save me a lot compared to new coilovers.

Things like how is the balance of the car, how does the standard damper cope with the uprated springs (rebound in particular) and are there any issues with wheel arch rubbing etc?

These issues probably go unnoticed on the road.

Cheers

Stuart@VelocityAP 04-11-2017 09:16 AM

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-launch-2.html

There's some reviews in there you could look at, and there are several 6speeders who have tracked their cars with our springs fitted. Hopefully they will be willing to comment. So far no complaints.

No rubbing on stock wheel/tire combos, aftermarket or upsized ones you're probably going to need to check out the offsets and so on. One neat thing about the tapered rod progressive rate: It allows the compressed rate to be nice and high when loaded and cornering, but when you start looking at rebound it comes into its own.

When the spring becomes extended, you hit a much lower spring rate, and the damper is able to control bound/rebound very effectively.

deckman 04-13-2017 07:42 AM

Coilovers will always be a better solution than springs. But also a lot more expensive!

Montana107 04-15-2017 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by Mansfield (Post 4625205)
Im looking at changing the springs on my 2007 V8 Vantage for something more suitable for spirited road driving and the odd trackday.

I see Velocity AP do some progressive springs and also H&R to go with the dampers i have. (The dampers are in good condition and have covered just over 10,000 miles)

Is there anyone here that has gone this route and would share your experiences with them on track?

Cheers

I have a set of used H&Rs for sale that will fit your car if you want them - I put them on my V8VS and there was a suspension miss match - I have coilovers on mine now.

Aldv 04-21-2017 04:51 PM

I guess not a good enough car guy and understand. But why not just invest in a sports package for your car...Safer to me than mix and match...Hoping to get good results....Couple vendors on here sell...Good luck whatever way you decide...

embdenb 04-22-2017 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by Aldv (Post 4628842)
I guess not a good enough car guy and understand. But why not just invest in a sports package for your car...Safer to me than mix and match...Hoping to get good results....Couple vendors on here sell...Good luck whatever way you decide...

The one great advantage of coil overs is adjustability. Good coil overs will allow adjustment for spring rate and ride height at each wheel. This ability is what makes then desirable for serious track use.

Aldv 04-22-2017 07:05 PM

Hey...Thanks...It makes sense for less drag in a straight but does it help lateral in curves? I thought AM came out with the sports package so everything body..wheels..Structs etc...Worked together to flex together in curves and low enough in straight runs to hold the road...Is buying just one part of this system enough to make the performance worth the cost? Still learning and really appreciate your reply...My son is out of town when he gets back I will discuss as he tracks his Mustang often...Please enjoy your weekend..

Redpants 04-24-2017 06:44 PM

The full Sport Pack is actually one hell of a deal:
http://www.redpants.lol/shop/v8-vantage-sport-pack

I've been told by the factory that the coilovers do not actually lower the car though, so if you want to lower the car, the Sport Pack won't have any effect.

Stuart@VelocityAP 04-25-2017 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Aldv (Post 4629092)
Hey...Thanks...It makes sense for less drag in a straight but does it help lateral in curves? I thought AM came out with the sports package so everything body..wheels..Structs etc...Worked together to flex together in curves and low enough in straight runs to hold the road...Is buying just one part of this system enough to make the performance worth the cost? Still learning and really appreciate your reply...My son is out of town when he gets back I will discuss as he tracks his Mustang often...Please enjoy your weekend..

The AM Sport Pack is really about matching firmer dampers to firmer springs, and reducing body roll with sway bars. It's a good system.

That said, the non-sportpack setup, with an appropriately matched spring that lowers the car a little and gives a firmer loaded spring rate will get you a large part of the way there for a fraction of the price.

One of the advantages to our progressive spring rate setup is that it allows for a much firmer rate - crisper handling, turn-in and so on, but without compromising ride quality or mismatching spring & damper rates.

Aldv 04-25-2017 07:59 PM

Stuart...Thank you taking a few minutes to explain...Both you and Rich and others help us here to better understand different terms and explore new products.
On these cars and others ...Cost can be an issue... Another solution to upgrade.... Evening


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