V12 Vantage vs R8 V10
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V12 Vantage vs R8 V10
Years ago I owned both a V12 Vantage and an R8V10. I really liked the R8, but I absolutely loved the V12.
The R8 was a fantastic car, a very good daily driver, but unless you gave it some serious gas, it was docile compared to the V12. For me the Aston was just more feral, even though it had the more traditional layout and was wearing a tuxedo.
A few years later both cars are holding their value. Both seem to be doing well. The big engine + 6 speed formula is still a winner. Funny how these two very different cars are loved for their huge motors, superb 6 speeds and much maligned for their semi-automatics.
The R8 might have actually shed less of its original value (its close). They are within 10-20k of each other, but I think the price spread was much higher when new. The R8GT is actually holding its value well, even with that R-Tronic.
Any predictions on how they do in the long run. What car is going to be more collectable?
The R8 was a fantastic car, a very good daily driver, but unless you gave it some serious gas, it was docile compared to the V12. For me the Aston was just more feral, even though it had the more traditional layout and was wearing a tuxedo.
A few years later both cars are holding their value. Both seem to be doing well. The big engine + 6 speed formula is still a winner. Funny how these two very different cars are loved for their huge motors, superb 6 speeds and much maligned for their semi-automatics.
The R8 might have actually shed less of its original value (its close). They are within 10-20k of each other, but I think the price spread was much higher when new. The R8GT is actually holding its value well, even with that R-Tronic.
Any predictions on how they do in the long run. What car is going to be more collectable?
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Years ago I owned both a V12 Vantage and an R8V10. I really liked the R8, but I absolutely loved the V12.
The R8 was a fantastic car, a very good daily driver, but unless you gave it some serious gas, it was docile compared to the V12. For me the Aston was just more feral, even though it had the more traditional layout and was wearing a tuxedo.
A few years later both cars are holding their value. Both seem to be doing well. The big engine + 6 speed formula is still a winner. Funny how these two very different cars are loved for their huge motors, superb 6 speeds and much maligned for their semi-automatics.
The R8 might have actually shed less of its original value (its close). They are within 10-20k of each other, but I think the price spread was much higher when new. The R8GT is actually holding its value well, even with that R-Tronic.
Any predictions on how they do in the long run. What car is going to be more collectable?
The R8 was a fantastic car, a very good daily driver, but unless you gave it some serious gas, it was docile compared to the V12. For me the Aston was just more feral, even though it had the more traditional layout and was wearing a tuxedo.
A few years later both cars are holding their value. Both seem to be doing well. The big engine + 6 speed formula is still a winner. Funny how these two very different cars are loved for their huge motors, superb 6 speeds and much maligned for their semi-automatics.
The R8 might have actually shed less of its original value (its close). They are within 10-20k of each other, but I think the price spread was much higher when new. The R8GT is actually holding its value well, even with that R-Tronic.
Any predictions on how they do in the long run. What car is going to be more collectable?
If if you are asking an Aston Martin Forum which is better, an Aston or an Audi? I’ll give you two guesses which one we all prefer.
If you think that either of these cars are an investment or which one will appreciate faster or depreciate slower, flip a coin.
From an investment, collectible perspective, I would look at Ferrari’s and Porsche’s since they both have a larger fan base and a proven record of appreciation after they bottom out.
But for me, owning an Aston is making me happy. Really really happy and who gives a **** if it depreciates or appreciates, that is all secondary. For me it is all about the driving experience. I really like to drive and I really appreciate a fine sports car.
So the question you need to ask yourself is: Will it make you happy?
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Mjanis say it very eloquently
we are Aston lovers simple, for me an Audi will never be special no matter how superior its mechanicals will be, that said let's look at some examples of Audi versus say Mercedes 20 years back?
It's clear witch one has aged better IMO
i could spend a dirty day with Helen Mirren, but not sure I would enjoy the same pleasure with Angela Merkel? ...but I digress
FWIW if had to lose my Aston to an R8 I think I would regret it, as far as cars versus investment is concerned unless it's a serious car on a short list I don't think any cars are an investment and one should own it to enjoy it.
i have given up calculating how much money I have lost over the years with trading in and out of cars ......but my god it makes me happy
I would of course trade any R8 and consider trading my Aston for a year or two with Taylor Swift !
we are Aston lovers simple, for me an Audi will never be special no matter how superior its mechanicals will be, that said let's look at some examples of Audi versus say Mercedes 20 years back?
It's clear witch one has aged better IMO
i could spend a dirty day with Helen Mirren, but not sure I would enjoy the same pleasure with Angela Merkel? ...but I digress
FWIW if had to lose my Aston to an R8 I think I would regret it, as far as cars versus investment is concerned unless it's a serious car on a short list I don't think any cars are an investment and one should own it to enjoy it.
i have given up calculating how much money I have lost over the years with trading in and out of cars ......but my god it makes me happy
I would of course trade any R8 and consider trading my Aston for a year or two with Taylor Swift !
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The post was just some fun, asking peoples opinions on which car might actually become more collectable.
We all know what car people on this forum prefer, what one do they think will become the classic?
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They are both destined to be future classics, in manual transmission form (to me at least) the aston might be worth more just because so few were produced, there are a ton of R8's out there by comparison
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Back from the dead! Haven't seen a post from you in a long time...
As you say, excellent cars, both, in their own way. I've owned and appreciated Audis (including an RS6 but never an R8) and my love of Astons is self-evident, but any bias aside, I truly believe that the Aston will be perceived as a more special car in the years to come. You cannot compare the bespoke feel of an Aston to the mass market feel of a car from one of the big German makes, no matter how nice the German car may be.
But as pointed out above, it really depends on who is answering the question. A lot of people either won't 'get' the whole Aston thing, or they will not be interested, due to preconceptions or bias. You can speculate all you want, but it's like any asset: it's not actually worth anything until someone has bought it and you have cash in hand.
As you say, excellent cars, both, in their own way. I've owned and appreciated Audis (including an RS6 but never an R8) and my love of Astons is self-evident, but any bias aside, I truly believe that the Aston will be perceived as a more special car in the years to come. You cannot compare the bespoke feel of an Aston to the mass market feel of a car from one of the big German makes, no matter how nice the German car may be.
But as pointed out above, it really depends on who is answering the question. A lot of people either won't 'get' the whole Aston thing, or they will not be interested, due to preconceptions or bias. You can speculate all you want, but it's like any asset: it's not actually worth anything until someone has bought it and you have cash in hand.
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I am back from the dead. My street cars became second fiddle to my time at the track. They say the real cost of any car is the depreciation, but the real cost of the track (and it is expensive) is time. I just couldn’t do 21 plus days a year away from my family and keep up my travel and work schedule.
I built up a monster Lotus 211, 290hp drysumped motor with a Quaife sequential transmission. A lot of go for 1680lbs.
I’ve cycled through a bunch of cars since my V12 Vantage. That’s been a lot of fun, but these days I find myself missing it. In fact my 3 favourite cars have been My V12V, the Lotus 211 and the Boxster Spyder.
I’m currently in a beautiful F Type R. The car is fast, very fast, but its just not as engaging as the V12.
I built up a monster Lotus 211, 290hp drysumped motor with a Quaife sequential transmission. A lot of go for 1680lbs.
I’ve cycled through a bunch of cars since my V12 Vantage. That’s been a lot of fun, but these days I find myself missing it. In fact my 3 favourite cars have been My V12V, the Lotus 211 and the Boxster Spyder.
I’m currently in a beautiful F Type R. The car is fast, very fast, but its just not as engaging as the V12.
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Good for you for getting all that track time - the 211 sounds like a blast! I've gone the opposite way in the last few years - I've spent far less time at track days. I suppose it's a combination of work commitments, stuff to do at home, and lack of motivation LOL.
Interesting to hear about the F Type R. I was seriously tempted when they first came out, and had a good look at the SVR, also, but stuck with my V12VS. It's a real shame IMO where Jaguar is going with their products, now, all compact SUVs and electrification, but hey, that seems to be where the money is at. Raucous V8's in coupes and sedans are a thing of the past. I had an XFR and XFR-S as daily drivers over the course of 8 years, and ended up 'leaving' the brand last fall as there was nothing to replace them.
Interesting to hear about the F Type R. I was seriously tempted when they first came out, and had a good look at the SVR, also, but stuck with my V12VS. It's a real shame IMO where Jaguar is going with their products, now, all compact SUVs and electrification, but hey, that seems to be where the money is at. Raucous V8's in coupes and sedans are a thing of the past. I had an XFR and XFR-S as daily drivers over the course of 8 years, and ended up 'leaving' the brand last fall as there was nothing to replace them.
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I no longer have the time to hit the track either. I sold the Lotus 211 to a gentleman who was murdered shortly after. Such a sweet man, very sad. It is likely still available as the family wasn’t really sure how to sell it.
The F Type R is a great car. It has a unique character and if you ignore depreciation, its a bargain. In fact I drove it back to back with the AMG GTS, and although that car gets the better press, I preferred the F Type. That GTS I drove had 600 miles on the clock, originally sold for 180k and was now being let go at 125k. OUCH!!!!! The F Type starts at 125k, so clearly the better choice.
Like the V12V, the F Type is all about the muscle up front. But the Jag just feels much bigger and less playful. It is however far faster and more modern. It is also a very liveable daily driver. You never have to worry about the front spoiler etc. I have heard some comments about the quality of the interior, but I like the interior. It feels much more solid than the GTS did.
Take one for a drive. Its a great car, but its more of a muscle car. Less a British Covette, more of a 2 seater Camaro. Although I think the new Camaro is likely still the sharper driver.
The F Type R is a great car. It has a unique character and if you ignore depreciation, its a bargain. In fact I drove it back to back with the AMG GTS, and although that car gets the better press, I preferred the F Type. That GTS I drove had 600 miles on the clock, originally sold for 180k and was now being let go at 125k. OUCH!!!!! The F Type starts at 125k, so clearly the better choice.
Like the V12V, the F Type is all about the muscle up front. But the Jag just feels much bigger and less playful. It is however far faster and more modern. It is also a very liveable daily driver. You never have to worry about the front spoiler etc. I have heard some comments about the quality of the interior, but I like the interior. It feels much more solid than the GTS did.
Take one for a drive. Its a great car, but its more of a muscle car. Less a British Covette, more of a 2 seater Camaro. Although I think the new Camaro is likely still the sharper driver.
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Yeah, it was terribly sad. I had been corresponding with him for months with the purchase and I portion etc. He really was a very sweet, very gentle soul. Apparently two guys broke into his house and tied him to a chair and beat him to death while they robbed him. Barbaric and senseless.
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I agree the manual transmission V12-Vantage will be more special than most of the German offerings in the long run. If you really miss it that much, buy my 2011 V12-V. I'm the only owner and am giving it up due to a growing family.
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I think you misread my post, at no time was I asking for advice on what car I should buy. I already stated my bias at the beginning of the post (R8V10 = Docile, V12 Vantage = Feral). I sold my R8V10 after a year, kept my Aston (my second) for 3 more.
The post was just some fun, asking peoples opinions on which car might actually become more collectable.
We all know what car people on this forum prefer, what one do they think will become the classic?
Both cars have the potential to be classics. The problem is that there are so many good cars right now. We are in the golden age of high performance cars. Look at what is available: Lotus, Alfa, Maserati, McLaren, Aston Martin, Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, Bugatti, Jaguar, MB, BMW....
So there are a lot of choices and each one could and should be a classic, but because there are so many choices, and new announcements all the time, only the best will eventually be true classics.
From my perspective, no doubt the R8 is a great car, but it is still an Audi. Having sold Audi's when I was in my 20's. They always seemed to built to be disposable cars. They were never built for durability for the long haul. I sold MB and Porsche at the same dealership and they were always so much more solid and built to last. Now I don't know if the R8 is built any differently, but to me it always seemed to be in the same league as an Acura NSX or a Pantera or BMW i8. Great cars, classics for sure, but never destined to be big money cars.
Since this is my first time owning an Aston, I am impressed with the overall quality of the car. Yeah, it's a little quirky, but I believe it will last. The mechanicals are solid, and taken care of properly will go the time and distance.
A lot depends on the future of Aston Martin as a company. Will it continue to survive and thrive as major player? Can they build a cult following that is bigger than it currently is and make the cars more sought after? I have heard they need to push cars to the dealers, can they change that into a pull market?
I think that Astons suffer in the resale market because most people don't know how good they really are. I think people worry about reliability and huge service bills.
Also I think that the large number of Jag XK8/XKRs on the road have an impact on AM resale values.
Even though the cars are not really comparable, the designs are similar enough. For the average guy its close enough.
Finally, Aston Martin has a legacy that an Audi will never have. The heritage cars help pull up the value of the brand, and that helps newer cars too.
And then there's always Bond, James Bond.
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Financially, Aston is doing very well at the moment and their product pipeline looks solid. They have a mid-engined car on the way (personally excited by that). At the moment the future of Aston looks very bright.
I might be wrong, but the V12 Vantage appears to be the very last 6 speed, V12 car sold by any manufacturer (the 7 speed would likely be the last manual V12 sold).
Porsche = last NA Flat 6, 6 speed
Corvette = last NA V8, 6speed
Viper = last NA V10, 6 speed
Vantage = last NA V12, 6 speed
Did I miss anyone?
I might be wrong, but the V12 Vantage appears to be the very last 6 speed, V12 car sold by any manufacturer (the 7 speed would likely be the last manual V12 sold).
Porsche = last NA Flat 6, 6 speed
Corvette = last NA V8, 6speed
Viper = last NA V10, 6 speed
Vantage = last NA V12, 6 speed
Did I miss anyone?