Anyone do a tune on a V8 Vantage?
I have a 4.3L and see Redpants has a tune. Wondering if 30hp will change power enough to feel it. I really like driving the Vantage, but it is very very slow compared to my other cars which are 600+hp supercharged V8s. |
Check VelocityAP they have lots of good stuff for your 4.3 (headers, 200cells Cats, tunes, exhaust, etc) with those you can get your 4.3L closer to 430hp or so.... Give them a call you won't regret it
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The price per HP seems too high for me. I don’t keep cars that long and won’t get out any of that modification money. The ECU gets the car to 400-410 for $1400 - and it’s another $5-7k for another 20-30hp. |
What can I say it is on par with all other exotic non turbo cars which are a lot harder to get power out of... For me the car is a 10/10 I know other cars are quicker and faster but when I drive my Vantage it is exclusivity that wins ;)
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A tune and 200 cel cats and it will feel like a different car. |
Originally Posted by Noahcpa
The price per HP seems too high for me. I don’t keep cars that long and won’t get out any of that modification money. The ECU gets the car to 400-410 for $1400 - and it’s another $5-7k for another 20-30hp. Now that it's installed and I've experienced driving it after the tune, I love it and feel it was totally worth the money! It totally transformed the responsiveness of the engine and this is the way it should have come from the factory. |
Tbh I dont think its worth it on a 4.3l especially if your ownership period is a small timeframe
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Originally Posted by Noahcpa
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I have a 4.3L and see Redpants has a tune. Wondering if 30hp will change power enough to feel it. I really like driving the Vantage, but it is very very slow compared to my other cars which are 600+hp supercharged V8s. Like Mercedes 6.3 AMG motors, unless you have turbos or superchargers getting HP out of the motors is really expensive. Tune on my DB9 got maybe 35hp. Tune on my RRS got me 100HP. Example..... a 6.3 AMG motor with tune and all exhaust mods will run you about 15k and get you only 80hp or so. The new AMG, I think 5.5 turbos or 4.5 turboed motors start you at 550hp and a simple tune will take it to around 700hp. A naturally aspirated car just cannot compete with HP gains of a forced induction tune. The 200 cell cats and the tune will wake the car up, and make it very much enjoyable vehicle to drive. Not going to beat a 911 turbo, but will hang with most other cars just fine. Small investment for a enjoyable time. Why mod any of your cars if you only keep them a short time. Doesn't seem economical. But if you do mod them a bit, and then sell them after a bit, whats 2k in enjoyable mods to have fun? |
I did the VelocityAP tune on my 4.3 and as others have said it does wake up the motor. Throttle response is vastly improved and it definitely pulls harder to redline. I plan on keeping mine for a while so the modest investment is totally worth it.
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I have the tune and 200 cell cats. Huge improvement over stock! For me, it was worth the money as it is much more enjoyable to drive.
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These results are on my 2008 4.3 V8Vantage with the factory power pack, a tune, 200 cel cats, an x pipe, Quicksilver sport muffler, and Redpants dry high flow air filters. Definitely worth every penny. It made it so much more alive. |
Thanks for the replies. I guess I know what I want for Hanukkah. |
Dropped in VAP 200 cell cats, exhaust manifold, Redpants Dry Hi-Flow air filters and ECU remap. Oh yea, how could I forget, dual plate clutch kit, which included the single piece lightweight flywheel.
4.7L Vantage V8S. I'll put it like this, there are few cars out here that will simply run away from my car. This was some of the best money spent on this car. |
Tuning makes these cars much more enjoyable by adjusting the character of the engine, but tuning is never going to make the car feel fast compared to a lighter car with 600 horsepower. There are so many dimensions to this car, it's a mistake to concentrate on acceleration.
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I'm with Blue2000s the tune really adjusts the way the engine responds and improves the driving experience. Nobody knows what your hp really is and it really doesn't matter when you get right down to it its just a number. What matters is how much the car excites you while driving.
I did the velocity tune with fabspeed xpipe and mansory exhaust, my 4.7 is a totally different beast and I love it.Peak hp is up but when you look at the dyno graphs the best change is along the rpm range that you really use which changes the driving experience. Yes I can still have buddies with 150hp miata''s turn better lap times than I can but I have a hell of a lot more fun doing it in my car. |
Originally Posted by papigko
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I'm with Blue2000s the tune really adjusts the way the engine responds and improves the driving experience. Nobody knows what your hp really is and it really doesn't matter when you get right down to it its just a number. What matters is how much the car excites you while driving.
I did the velocity tune with fabspeed xpipe and mansory exhaust, my 4.7 is a totally different beast and I love it.Peak hp is up but when you look at the dyno graphs the best change is along the rpm range that you really use which changes the driving experience. Yes I can still have buddies with 150hp miata''s turn better lap times than I can but I have a hell of a lot more fun doing it in my car. |
Originally Posted by blue2000s
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I don't know, I also have a 130hp Miata and on the street, it's alot more fun than the Aston :)
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Originally Posted by papigko
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True probably mostly because on the street you can go to wot on the miata and not be doing over 100 in a very short period of time. I have several other track cars but the Vantage is still the most fun to drive at it's limits. Not the fastest just the most fun and I'm just getting too conservative to test its limits on the street.
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Great posts! Thanks to everyone for sharing their thoughts. |
Just purchased and received the tune for my 2008 V8V (thanks my sweet girlfriend!) which to date only has Redpants air box deletes installed. I plan to flash this week and try to judge improvement in performance. Next stage is 200 cell cats and X-pipe, and re-evaluate (subjective) performance gain. If my yearly bonus provides, I’m looking at headers and new clutch/flywheel. I realize this may not make the most sense in terms of $/bhp, but I love the car and any incremental gains, even if just perceived, make me love the car even more... |
Installed tune today
Installed stage 1 and took the car out for a few miles. I was afraid that, without complementary mods like the 200 cell cats, I wouldn’t experience/notice much difference. I was dead wrong. Throttle response is crazy, and the car just feels faster. Couldn’t be happier! Can’t wait to install new cats, clutch and lightweight flywheel. This was money well spent and I couldn’t recommend it more highly. |
Originally Posted by DonRW2007
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Installed stage 1 and took the car out for a few miles. I was afraid that, without complementary mods like the 200 cell cats, I wouldn’t experience/notice much difference. I was dead wrong. Throttle response is crazy, and the car just feels faster. Couldn’t be happier! Can’t wait to install new cats, clutch and lightweight flywheel. This was money well spent and I couldn’t recommend it more highly. |
Originally Posted by englishmatt
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So, you just installed the ECU tune from VP? I've thought about doing that only, but have been concerned that by itself I wouldn't notice a difference....
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Installing tune this weekend. Also had new ap clutch installed. Expecting to be impressed. |
i know you cant compare apples and oranges, but did the same mods to my mustang gt (cold air intake.exhaust.tune)
totally different car,$600 cost. i know aston is an exclusive car and prices are higher,but $2000cdn for a tune is really pricey , when you think about it the v8v ecu is a ford product,its just price gouging to me, |
Originally Posted by cadman
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i know you cant compare apples and oranges, but did the same mods to my mustang gt (cold air intake.exhaust.tune)
totally different car,$600 cost. i know aston is an exclusive car and prices are higher,but $2000cdn for a tune is really pricey , when you think about it the v8v ecu is a ford product,its just price gouging to me, |
Originally Posted by sonies
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well there are waaaay less cars to sell it to especially compared to a mustang LOL, and the cost of development remains the same so they kind of have to charge more if you want them to stay in business and continue to provide stuff in the future...
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Originally Posted by DonRW2007
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Installed stage 1 and took the car out for a few miles. I was afraid that, without complementary mods like the 200 cell cats, I wouldn’t experience/notice much difference. I was dead wrong. Throttle response is crazy, and the car just feels faster. Couldn’t be happier! Can’t wait to install new cats, clutch and lightweight flywheel. This was money well spent and I couldn’t recommend it more highly. |
We installed the stage 1 tune a year ago. Only additional mods were Redpants dry hi-flow air filters. As others have said it livened up the engine response and perhaps modest overall power bump. We had Velocity AP change the curve slightly when the exhaust opens up, so we get to enjoy the enhanced sound a little earlier without need to pull fuse 22.
We don't have 200 cell cats yet, thinking of buying, installing sometime this year. As for how easy, it was simple. VAP ships their tuner tool, you down load some software on your computer to update firmware, plug it into your car to download the base tune, email that file to them, they update based on your needs and car hardware and email back. You then copy it back to the tuner tool and upload back into the car. Kevin |
Originally Posted by kdm
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We installed the stage 1 tune a year ago. Only additional mods were Redpants dry hi-flow air filters. As others have said it livened up the engine response and perhaps modest overall power bump. We had Velocity AP change the curve slightly when the exhaust opens up, so we get to enjoy the enhanced sound a little earlier without need to pull fuse 22.
We don't have 200 cell cats yet, thinking of buying, installing sometime this year. As for how easy, it was simple. VAP ships their tuner tool, you down load some software on your computer to update firmware, plug it into your car to download the base tune, email that file to them, they update based on your needs and car hardware and email back. You then copy it back to the tuner tool and upload back into the car. Kevin Being new to the AM platform, I’m trying to soak up as much info as possible. |
We have a 2007 V8V 4.3l coupe, 6 speed
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Simple
Second all that... very simple and straightforward... |
When we talk about better throttle response, is that reducing the delay when you punch the pedal?
I have a standard 4.7L and I would love to 'delete' the delay. I just gave the car a few revs and tried to time how long the delay is, I reckon its about 0.25-0.30 of a second. For those of you who have done the tune (and other mods), but not the lightened flywheel, how long is that lag now? Thanks :) |
On my 4.3, I did the mods in this order and each one had a clear impact.
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A couple of things about the tuning....
Yes, it's a normally aspirated engine so NOBODY will ever tweak 60,70,80 BHP out of it with just a tune, unlike some of the turbo/SC cars we deal with. That being said, I do feel that, at least with our VelocityAP tuning it is more than just the number. There are a number of areas in the timing maps where performance is artificially restricted, in order to lower emissions measured during the prescribed testing cycles. Basically timing pulls and so on. There are also some additional maps - vestigial stuff from the Ford based architecture which are restricting performance. Then, on the 4.3L cars specifically there are cam adjustments which we can carry over from the later 4.7L cars. All of those things don't add up to a bigger 'Headline' peak number, but make a big, big difference in the mid-range RPM where you spend most of your time. The net result is that the cars just feel more Urgent as you pull through the RPM band, less sluggish and much more alive. There's a lot to be gained in terms of the driving experience that doesn't show up with the simple math. Not all the cars we see and work with are like that. Aston V8 is one of the NA platforms that does really benefit from the additional work. And with Chris (irish007) doing the coding and his in depth knowledge of the engines after 10 years as a factory trained tech I think there's a lot to like there. |
Can’t endorse the VAP tune more highly
As I previously stated, even as the sole modification to a V8V, this tune will result in a tangible improvement to your cars’s performance. You will feel it and hear it. Even passengers/co-workers have asked if I did something to the car, and they’re not behind the wheel. It’s that simple. |
Originally Posted by cadman
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i know you cant compare apples and oranges, but did the same mods to my mustang gt (cold air intake.exhaust.tune)
totally different car,$600 cost. i know aston is an exclusive car and prices are higher,but $2000cdn for a tune is really pricey , when you think about it the v8v ecu is a ford product,its just price gouging to me, I've been a member of this board for 10 years, we've built a great reputation delivering solid products that do what we say they do. Over that 10 years, you would not believe the number of times I've sold maybe a set of cat deletes to someone who's said "Oh, my local guy is going to do the tune, he said it's just Ford stuff...." only to have them come back and purchase the product because.... It's not just Ford stuff. We have so much time & experience invested into tuning these cars at this point, I couldn't even begin to quantify it. Our company is made up of real people who work hard and earn an honest living. It's a profitable company but we are not making out like bandits. I'm sorry you feel that it's price gouging. |
I personally put a VAP tune and 200 cell cats last yeat and i am very please with the results. Thank you so much guys awesome job.
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Coming from air-cooled 911s I feel like the v8v mod cost are similar. I should have mentioned that my tune is VAP, and it is great. Every time I call VAP both pre and post sale, Stuart is there and happy to talk and give advice.
Cheers, Daryl |
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