!?! and this from a guy quoting latin!? ok, my bad

 

me too. then i could use the same coolant in my vw, porsche, and the audighini without worry.

 

I'm from Alabama. We aint really dumb but it can takes us

2 hours to watch 60 minutes.

 

Wait a tick!

In pieces. On the operating table.

What did I miss?

 

I understand all your points Randy. The big difference is that everything you were told was "off the record" for a reason. There's a legal term for regurgitated accusations, it's called hearsay. I'm sure you're familiar. The timing of you bringing this all up was just wrong. In one post you claim you just found out about their package and it's numbers after they beat your record. In this one suddenly you have been aware of it for several months. The misunderstanding of whp and bhp didn't make things very clear. I still see no difference in what you are doing now in comparison to individuals questioning the build materials Markski used. If anything it's worse because you're accusing them of outright dishonesty and deceitfulness. Lambast complete, I hope you take this as constructive criticism as opposed to a personal attack. Enjoy the rest of the weekend.

 

We're doing a 3.8 w/ ProEfi and E85

Special turbo setup that spool real super duper

and has plenty up top.

Custom carbon fiber pieces and by the time were finished,

half the car will be cf. We're shootin for 2700 ish pounds

 

Wow.

Good luck with the build.

I can't wait to read all about it.

 

NO no no! I didn't know about AMS until I clicked on their link! I really

didn't! I was told about the false power claims of other well known vendors

months ago. Read my congratulatory post to AMS. After that post, I clicked

on the link to the 900 hp a28 setup. I wasn't butt hurt for losing the record.

Boy, that is the opposite of who I am. I was disappointed that their

message is " You can do this too for 28,000.00 all total."

Bro, please....Mark never ever claimed 800 or 900 with the alpha 28s

He said that the best I'd get would be equalivent to 700-750 crank.

He's actually pretty conservative about these things and if you do a search

you'll see him crushing hp dreams all over the forum lol.

Independent of that, I believe you are right! The timing, the way I did it

etc..... just stupid

 

Thanx! It will be finished in 2 weeks. Gotta put the break in miles

on the new "secret" tranny and engine and then we'll see what she can do

 

AMS has engineering advantages in using a 977TT. It is still very, very impressive that they ran that number in a full weight 997TT with a stock (not built) motor on ms109.

 

Upon that, we can agree. and actually, the GT1 based Metzger engine is a better

platform. The GT2RS sports the Metzger not the 997 platform. The 997 has advantages

but the Metzger can handle the punishment a little better, I think.

This is what Gregg form Tial says:


Gregg Jones


to me
Hi Randy,

827whp x 1.15= 951crank divided by 9.25hp/lbs(thermal mechanical eff vs air flow) = 102.8 lbs min/air

3.6L engine x 6100rpm = 29.71 lbs/min 100% mechanical VE not boosted. VE not likely to be 100% with small GT28 turbines pushing large compressor wheels to high boost.

minimum turbo pressure ratio with intercoolers at 100% eff 3.46 :1 = 36.1 psi ICs can not be 100% eff. the best maybe 85 to 90% and that is being generous

so if the engine has 100% VE used with 100% eff ICs running 36.1 psi gets you 102.8lbs/min to get you 827whp at 6100rpm

What boost were they running? it would have to be more than 36.1 psi does not seem possible on 93 oct pump fuel

they would have to improve thermal mechanical eff but they are using a stock long block 997 engine. it would would have to be over 10hp/lbs air flow on pump fuel to start to make number add up

I am not saying that their dyno did not tell them they are making 827whp

but the numbers are not adding up to support it.

 

Randy, that math is STILL not right due to the fact you told him it was whp. They are claiming 827 bhp. If you use the same 15% drivetrain loss that Gregg did that means they are claiming 703whp. This is the crux of the whole damn thing. Send Gregg a new email and ask him if 827 bhp and 703whp is possible. You could also let him know this is an awd 997 which has more drivetrain loss than your car.

 

He knows it's a 997.1 w/ awd.

and yes, I know the difference between bhp and whp.

they're claiming 900 bhp on race gas which equates to

about 765 wheel hp. But look at their website ....

they have a dynograph that shows 827 on pump.

Is this an engine dyno? When you look at a dyno chart,

you automatically think chassis dyno ergo wheel hp.

There is nothing in their advertising saying anything

to the contrary. 900 crank hp? stock engine? on a 997!

and the GT2RS is on a metzger engine because it's

stronger bro. It's the same basic platform in the 996TT

765 wheel horsepower on an alpha 28? for how long?

These guys have the ***** to claim 800 hp on a k16 billet!

Look on their website! I don't care if thats crank, rear wheel

all wheel or the wheel of fortune...... 800 hp on a k16 based

turbo!!!!!!!

Geez, maybe these guys are extraterrestrials and they're endowed

with supra intellectual abilities. 800 horsepower out of a k16

and 900 horsepower out of an a28?

I would give a new set of Toyo r888s to see some uninterested 3rd

party analysis on these subjects.

Maybe have Marcin with Speedriven take a drive over and take them

to the dyno of his choosing. He's right down the road from them.

Dammit Audibull, I want to drop this lol.

I've already alienated myself from most of my Porsche enthusiast

brethren and this is my only hobby lol. I have four boys and a big

stressful company and I don't wanna fight this no more

 

FYI the 997.1 has the Mezger engine, and its better breathing than the 996.

 

You are right sir! I just checked it and the 997.1 is a metzger race

derived engine. The 997.2 isn't but it's looking good so far.

The GT2RS is not the 997.2 type.

Amazingly our 996TT have a 964 bottom end!

This engine is derived from the GT1 but the GT1 has its roots

in the 930.