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Hi there thanks for reading I’m new here so please bare with me.. i bought a Bentley continental flying spur in July. Just after buying washing clay baring polishing and ceramic coating it ECT I went for a drive. 45 minutes in to that drive i heard the fans screaming. Then i noticed the temperature gauge gose to around about 100°c then comes down by it self to 90°c in under 2 minutes. And then it will go up and down. ive had 3 Bentley specialists look at it. first i had changed the 2 coolant sensors Along with a coolent flush and vacuum done.. that did not solve the problem. I was not getting any warning lights. I then changed the exhaust gas temperature sensor. And that didn’t solve the problem either. I then changed both battery’s all the work was done by Bentley specialists. And they have no clue what the problem can be I have no fault codes no warring lights. The over heating happens every time i drive it.
 
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In the boat marine world a similar thing can happen .
To be precise ( if I have understood your post correctly ? ) your guage reads high with no alarms , codes or faults in the system detectable and the engine runs fine ?

You not said if they used a VAG com Bentley specced upto date code reader ? These are pretty good I,am lead to understand.

Your techs have chased down randomly replacing parts ***** nilly running up a bills without a diagnosis.
If it was the sensor the VAG com computer would say something like “ implausible signal “ which means the ECU does not recognise the outputted voltage , Or “ short to GND “ or what ever ?

But in the boat Volvo penta world ( computer diagnostics too with a vodia tool ) ,With so called false overheats , ie the guage only it the wiring harness that ages and although the sender sends out the correct signals it’s gets corrupted by increasing resistance of heated wire insulation so the guage gets the wrong sig and reads high ,Somehow the ECU,s and thus diagnostic devices don,t pick up on this .

changing sender / guage makes no difference except generating a bill !

In the boat world we carry infra red thermometers ( £10 from a electronic shop )
get one and run to temp and point it about inside the engine bay especially at the radiators to see what the exact temp is .
Test parts of the block too if it’s around 90:- normal then it’s not actually overheating it’s the instrument or the wiring to the instrument.
sensor , overheat alarm etc are all ok .

so you need to eliminate a true overheat with a IR thermometer.

Once you have a true temp reading the first thing to look at is the fan turn on switch thingy.Are the fans coming on at the correct temp .Without a IR thermometer you are just guessing really .
 

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A friend of mine has a infrared temperature gun that reads 89°c all around the radiator i also forgot to to say. That it is a 2006 with 52k miles it drives fine the fans come on and off as they should. And yes it was scanned on a VAG com also
 
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A friend of mine has a infrared temperature gun that reads 89°c all around the radiator i also forgot to to say. That it is a 2006 with 52k miles it drives fine the fans come on and off as they should. And yes it was scanned on a VAG com also
Hello Cluk,
Did you point the IR gun at any point on the engine block as John F suggested, are you sure you have no P2181 code for cooling system performance when scanned, as the 04's to early 07's have the electronic thermostat setup, and note that the thermostat itself is not electronic, but has an electric heating element to heat the mechanical thermostat to open as the ECU sees fit, if the thermostat does not perform within specified timeframe then the fans go full blast, just as they do when one of the temp sensors is not reading correctly (even a faulty coolant level sensor in the reservoir can cause high speed fans) , so you may have a stuck thermostat, most likely stuck partially or almost closed so not cooling to its max, also did the techs bleed all the air out of the cooling system after coolant refill, there are a few bleeding points.

Now on the other hand, you say you are overheating, and that the temp goes up and down, but yet you state it is at 90*c which is 194*f normal, and it goes to 100*c/212*f, which is not overheating, you also do not mention your location, what's the temp of your location, what's your driving style, is the A/C on ?

The more info, the more we can help.

Johnny
 

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Originally Posted by Johnny Hotspur GT
Hello Cluk,
Did you point the IR gun at any point on the engine block as John F suggested, are you sure you have no P2181 code for cooling system performance when scanned, as the 04's to early 07's have the electronic thermostat setup, and note that the thermostat itself is not electronic, but has an electric heating element to heat the mechanical thermostat to open as the ECU sees fit, if the thermostat does not perform within specified timeframe then the fans go full blast, just as they do when one of the temp sensors is not reading correctly (even a faulty coolant level sensor in the reservoir can cause high speed fans) , so you may have a stuck thermostat, most likely stuck partially or almost closed so not cooling to its max, also did the techs bleed all the air out of the cooling system after coolant refill, there are a few bleeding points.

Now on the other hand, you say you are overheating, and that the temp goes up and down, but yet you state it is at 90*c which is 194*f normal, and it goes to 100*c/212*f, which is not overheating, you also do not mention your location, what's the temp of your location, what's your driving style, is the A/C on ?

The more info, the more we can help.

Johnny
hi johnny thanks for your reply. I do apologize for the miscommunication, I’d like to state where i am located & what more Bentley i own, 2006 Bentley flying spur w12 black red interior with 50kish thousand miles with full service history, a clean motor,

I live in central London at the moment the weather is 40°f (5c)
however I purchased the Bentley beginning part of summer when temps exceeded 87°f /30°+Celsius

What i did was replaced the battery to appropriate from independent Bentley service, exhaust gas sensors, 2 coolent sensors, coolent flush with a vaccume,

the car would start overheat faster with the ac on in the summer, however when switching over to heat rather then cool air it would drop to its normal temp just before 90,

nowadays temps a lot fresher & heater needs to be on because it’s bitter outside it takes a while 45mins. or if i drive it in Manuel meaning stressing the engine & gearbox it starts to peeks above the 90 mark 100°c & the fans start blowing full power, it slowly but surly drops to its normal temp 90°.
It is reading no fault codes every fault code it had was sorted. i did point the IR Gun everywhere possible hose’s engine block radiators “ECT” and it ranged from 89° to 91°c everywhere witch i was told it is normal By a Bentley tech...



 
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Sometimes I think the independent techs get left behind with updates for the management readers software.
I know that happens in Ferrari world where Ferrari closely guard the soft where so disadvantaging Indy’s .
How ever with VAG com I don,t know where they are with the Indy’s and trade and where they are going .
Just seems odd it’s does not throw a code . Or the Indy can,t delve deeper through a few pages .

Not entirely related I live quite a distance from an official B dealer and wanted a small part , it was the headlight washer relay .Thet would not come on the washers and I eventually correctly diagnosed a duff relay .
Mr Google did not work to source the part .
We run ( wife’s ) an Audi the centre is 7 miles away and it’s just had a biggie , new disks , tinning belt etc @60 K miles along with some 4WD trans axial lub change ,
Garage knows me .
So I waltzed in with the Bentley relay in hand to the parts counter .This was Nov 17 .
They guy was v helpful , knew all about the x reference part no,s the shared parts , showed me some A8 disks , callipers etc but and it’s a BIG but he said at the moment his VAG com system gave him access to whole groups areas inc Bentley etc but from April 18 they were going to install just a dealer modal specific soft where so for them Audi only .

Then he just wrote down the B part no and his system then identified the Audi part a quick £ 14 and I was off and it fitted and worked ,The system listed all the modals it fitted and I could see different part numbers for each marque .

I understand this functionality has gone from April 18 in the VAG com group parts dept with the latest software.

I think Bentley dealers charge in the U.K. a straight £200 ( vat inc ) for they say about 1 hr for a tech to do a full diagnostic.

I had that done when my UK Indy hit a dead end with the HVAC problem , fortunately the Indy was an ex employee and the dealer on good terms so the Indy was able , by invitation or ring the Franchise and the tech spilled the beans so to speak .
Franchise is very busy anyhow so happy to help the Indy in this case with older modals , and I was on a tight timeline anyhow .
They did offer me a fix @£240 / hr labour and more expensive parts as well .

So you are back to why no fault code ?
I suspect your Franchised dealer will find one ,
The Indy fixed the issue for 1/2 the quoted estimate from the Franchise.
Point is his system could not detect a fault but the Franchises did and I got a fix .





 

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