Driving V8DS today it quickly became obvious GTS was outgunned big time. Plenty of low end and super slick acceleration made for easy manoeuvring in any situation. This V8 diesel proved very flexible and accelerated very hard, much harder than GTS especially at speeds below 130kph. GTS (may) keep with it above 130 (maybe but likely not) but anything under just forget about it. The flexibility of the V8 diesel has GTS licked everywhere! I'd even go so far as to say it's very close to the CTT in the way it hauls.

Fuel consumption was at 12 litres per hundred really footing it around. Driving normally would see the claimed 8 litres i suspect.

Handling was also superb, ride was also very good. The engine sounded very good too....like a V8 petrol. Something tells me GTS's are going to be much harder to shift now.....and maybe even CTT's too.

 

wow - driving that hard in these gas V8's, you would be looking at 18/100 or so

 

Actually the v8 GTS which i drove in the same conditions produced 21.8 litres per 100....so yep 12 was good given the car totally pantsed the GTS in general acceleration.

 

Wow sucks to the gts I guess, but what's the price difference for a gts vs cd8 similarly equipped?

 

Same money. You can have the CD8 cheaper without the 18 ways, full leather and 21's etc and it still pulls better. The CD8 here has a lot of standard equip. The GTS just needs some more power to keep up....and less fuel bill too. GTS also needs to ride a bit better as V8D owns it there as well but handles just as good. I think GTS will have to go back to the drawing board. But it does have a nice body kit i guess .

 

Cool to hear the CD8 vs GTS comparison. Really wish the CD8 was offered in the US. Crossing my fingers Porsche unleashes it here. Want.

 

When we were trying to decide what to replace our 2011 CTT with, we drove the new Cayenne GTS when it came out - we had a 2008 Cayenne GTS before the turbo. We too loved the body kit, overall package, etc...but two things bothered us - everything was a la carte (no packages) so that lowered overall value to us, and the Cayenne GTS was all show, no go! It was noticeably slow, and we ended up back in a 2013 Turbo. Also, we lease, so the difference in payments was not as much as I would have thought...it was too close to give up the difference in performance and overall experience.
Jeff

 

sucks that we dont get the CS diesel in the states though, but then again we also dont have to pay the ridiculous car costs (luxury tax) that you do in australia. for those that dont know cars down under cost 2-3 times what we pay for them in the states. iirc a 2013 audi s6 costs almost $200k there and everything else is pretty ridiculous on price. im sure for what a CDS or GTS cost in australia, in the states you can probably buy an aventador for the same $, out of curiosity what do a CDS, GTS and CTT go for there?

 

It's an awesome car and i'm sure you guys will see it next year. I see the 2014/15 gen 2 gets the new TDI diesel 6 and the petrol V6 turbo...no more V8 except in GTS but again i think the V6 petrol turbo will give the GTS 8 a run for it's money. The turbo's really produce the torque down low which is what is needed to move the weight quickly.

I know what you mean. As much as the GTS is a great drive and nicely packaged it'd be pretty hard to go back from a CTT into a GTS. The new CDS has what feels to me to be the same kind of in gear shove as the CTT...obviously the CTT will still own it somewhere....maybe higher up in the speed range. The huge torque of the V8Ds shifts the weight so effortlessly vs the GTS which needs a lot of revs and doesn't give near the same punch. It'd be interesting to line up a CTT and a V8ds for a run. I'm sure there isn't much between them.

Prices here are crazy stupid. Here is a recent article where Porsche Aus is about to reduce it's pricing, due to take effect 1st june. Still way too high if you ask me. Take a look at the prices before and after but be mindful the prices don't include the taxes. To give an example my CDS is priced at 215K drive away with my selected options. With no options it was 185K. As i'm due to take delivery mid june i will get a reduction yet to be advised.

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...423-2ibf9.html

http://www.caradvice.com.au/227943/p...-in-australia/

 

holy $hit... a panamera turbo S is $443,600??? at my local dealers ive seen them msrp for 180-190k, and even then i thought $200k for a panny was way too much for that car. im almost forsure if we had to pay these prices for audi, mb, bmw, porsche etc, 80% of all our european cars on the roads would be gone. i dont even want to think of what an exotic or rolls royce type of car runs for over there. i need to start a new business of smuggling cars to aus and seliing them there, lol

 

Speed21, I think the PTM of the CDS is the same as the gassers. The CD6 has a permanent AWD vs an active AWD for CD8. Some questions for you:

- Have you looked at both systems? Is the active AWD better?
- Also, are you getting the PTV plus? The CD8 already comes with the basic PTV.
- why not wait for the 2014 model in June?
- Finally, can you get the CD8 with PDCC?

 

It's quoted by Porsche to be a more advanced version a bit up on the current GTS.

This is true but i am told the 2014 update will see the active AWD in all models

Yes. I've driven CD6, V8S, GTS, CTT, V8DS. The only difference i could feel was the handling in the last 3 felt a bit sharper than the CD6 and V8S. The cars all had their own feel so its hard to put that down to just the PTM.

Again its hard to say because each car had its own feel. Just comparing the CD6 to the CD8 i would definitely say the 8 felt sharper in the handling but thats not to say the 6 was sloppy at all. Just that the 8 felt more planted and a bit more sophisticated in the general drive of the car vs the 6.

Yes mine has PTV plus as an option but the car i drove didnt and it handled incredible so i'm not sure if the option will be that discernible but i will wait and see and hopefully get to do a back to back.

Personally i would have but being my wifes car she is just so damn impatient. As it was it was a struggle to have her wait till late June because she was prepared to take a CD6 that was ready to go with very little options earlier in the year. Knowing i will drive the car more than her it took me some convincing to get her to hold out till June because she was overdue a change late last year so..

The way i see it we will see 12 months before our car is outdated but that said it's a tough call whether to wait for the face-lifted car because then 2 years on from that the next gen Cayenne is released. So we will get @ 3.5 years in the car before it is changed entirely vs only 2.5 years in the update. The other thing was we have optioned the car well so to future proof it in the event certain options come as standard equip in the update... I believe the main differences will be physical but that said the V8D may also see a slight power bump to keep its distance from the new 230Kw 650nm CD6 engine...hard to say this early in the piece.

Unfortunately not. I'm told after a lot of asking that it was 100% off the option list for this car. It may possibly surface in the 2014 update but i'm really not sure if you'll be able to feel it or get any benefit unless you do a cone course trial. The car handles so sharp as it is even without the PTV plus and the PDDC.
I felt the car drove better than the GTS to be honest and that car handles very sharp as you know. Just that the suspension felt better (rode better) in the CD8 for the kind of driving the car will get to see 99.99% of the time. It was much firmer than a regular V8S petrol and felt more or less the same as the GTS in sharpness and communication but felt more resolved in the spring and shock settings to me. Maybe at 10 10ths the GTS may have an edge somewhere on a smooth racetrack surface/environment but that may also have something to do with the slightly less weight it has over CD8. I did feel the CD8 felt a touch heavier in the nose than the GTS not that it appeared to affect the handling at all..

 

I think you made a great choice with the CDS8. From all of the reviews, tech materials and youtube vids, the CDS8 is a winner. The power and torque alone is a class of its own. What color and trim did you get? You're probably the only CDS8 owner in this forum .

 

Thanks. I'm hoping it all works out. The colour we chose is Jet black metallic with full black leather interior with the interior aluminium package. The car is heavily optioned from standard in comparison to most countries anyway but we added some extras as per below. Dealer is also having the brake callipers painted in red same as GTS. It will be basically fully loaded with exception of the alcantara hood lining, the entertainment systems in the rear seats, the crested seats, and the auto distance cruise control feature. Everything else that is available is pretty well in it, so it will be a special car one may say. The dealer said today its been on the water for two weeks now so another month from now we should have it in the garage all going to plan.


Options:
Panoramic Roof
Roof rails
Exterior package in black
power steering plus
21-inch 911 Turbo II wheels
Lane Change Assist (LCA)
Bi-Xenon lighting system (PDLS) with Black Surrounds
Light comfort package
TV Tuner
Metallic Paint
Full leather interior
18-way Adaptive sports seats
Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus
Sport Chrono package plus
Aluminium interior trim package
Tinted rear Tail lights

 

That's a great build. . Be sure to post about your experiences with it when it arrives. If you haven't done so yet, check out this write up about the CDS8. It will increase your waiting pain . What a great car!

http://www.netcarshow.com/porsche/20...enne_s_diesel/