i have to say, the "has anybody seen this" ploy is one of the oldest and most lame SPAM methods around.

this kind of noise bums me out, because i'm here to learn more about car care from the good folks on 6speed. especially the sponsors who contribute in so many ways. where else do you get to ask questions of seasoned professionals? i do software for a living and it would be a huge burden for me to *pay* to give free programming advice. i understand that sponsors get to sell their products, but it's still a big investment for them.

thanks sponsors! go away SPAMers!

 

Thank you vick; I can speak for all three sponsors when I say we appreciate the support from our fellow 6speeders. There are great detailers here as well that give advice away for free and don't even solicit business. Remember, the real pros already have their clientele list and are always working. If they do contribute here, it's to share and give something back. It's the guys that NEED the business that post and solicit. So that tells you; do you really want them working on your car? Something to think about.

 

So much for "attention to detail"

 

Buf if your a sponsor and not working its okay? What about the guys who need pay to advertise their bussiness? I mean the real pro's wouldn't have time for a forum according to you, correct?

 

I'm going to have to agree with Moe AGAIN! Trust me, after a long day of detailing cars, it's a nice release to get home and spend a little time on the computer. The fact that Moe shares his expertise online is because he has a lot of good answers to good questions. This comes with experience.



John

 

Hopefully this isn't about the earlier tread bringing attention to non sponsors advertizing, if so please let's move on. I appreciate all the information I get on this site, and I agree with Moe, and it appears the site moderators, that if you're using it as advertizing please pay to sponsor the forum.

 

this guy's a class act. I would imagine for him to link to craigslist here hurt him more than anything.

 

Nice try. I'm sticking with Bob, Moe, Matt, and Sammy.

 

Hi John. I agree with what you are saying (and I think you misread what Moe posted). After a hard day work, I love to come on here and post. We are in the same boat. Moe's point (unless I misread it) was that if you are not a sponsor and you are on here, you are looking for work. I think you and I agree that this isn't the case at all.

I would think that having somebody like Pat, Brian, and others on this forum is as important since they are sharing information that is unbiased and in no ways designed to turn a profit. Brian and I have both refused work in PM's because we are not here for this purpose, and I feel it would be a violation regarding the sponsors who are here and paying money. But try not to discount members who are far more respected amongst their peers and considered among the best because they do not spend money (as they have nothing to gain/sell).

I personally felt that Moe's comment was off base, as he is saying that if people are on here looking for work, then you wouldn't want them working on your car. I see his point, but I don't see how it would be any different for a forum sponsor. I find the irony a little too much, but again, I may have misread his comments?

 

I agree that if there are paying sponsors, then the forum should be VERY strict on advertising. However, I believe the greatest gains are made through free speech and open discussion, so please do not discount the contributions of others and their information when often times it is less biased, IMO, then those who have much to gain.

 

I, as well as I'm sure the other sponsors, agree with you completely about the free exchange of information that is designed to educate rather to promote. And the ground rules that everyone agreed on were very simple - don't have your company name or contact info. on your avatar, posts, signature nor profile. It's a very simple request that if everyone followed (including you) would get this forum back on track. Todd, I personally enjoy your posts and your sincere dedication to your craft. Keep it up.

Matt

 

I do read all the information I can. In fact you posts are some of the most interesting to me. My son introduced me to Zaino Products when I bought my black S2000. Now with my Turbo and reading more about detailing I'm interested in trying the carnubas. Your one post on using Zaino for sealing and durability and putting the carnuba on for depth has motivated me to try that. (I just need the weather to get above Zero for awhile). My question is the Swissvax I bought states you need to use their cleaner to get it to adhere, is that going to affect the Z2 or the Z5, or should I use something else. Also for clay baring Zaino says to use soap but doesn't state what solution to use.

 

Thanks for the compliments Matt, they are appericated. When I came to this site I was asked to by a client. If I step on anybodies toes please let me know! Thanks again!

 

IME, all carnuaba wax compaines will tell you the same thing (and they are some what right), that wax will last longest when applied to bare paint. However, Swissvax Cleanerfluid, Zymol HD Cleanse, Meguiars #7, P21s Body Cleansing Lotion are all oil based glazes with some cleaning properties. While you might be better results from using a dedicated pre cleaner, I have not found this to be true.

As far as applying a carnauba on top of Zaino, I haven't had the best of luck with that approach. Zaino seems to work best with Zaino, and wax doesn't seem to improve the appearance as much.

If you would like to try this method (building a base of sealant for gloss and durablity) I would try something like Jeff Werkstatt's twins (Prime and AC Trigger), then top with the carnuaba of your choice. You may comprimise the durablity of the wax itself, but since the sealant underneath should last 4-5 months on its own, it isn't a problem. Since looks are so subjective, your best bet would be to try it on your own (one side with wax over the glaze and the other side with wax over a sealant combination) and see what you prefer. I like to build a base of sealant for protection, and then top periodically to maintain the gloss, depth, and natural protection of a carnauba.

 

I read through that entire thread and think both sides are at fault. Moe should have contacted the moderators or those in question of solicitations instead of posting publicly about it. The others shouldn't have used their company names in their sig or handle. On the other hand, this jdm company is way out of line.