The new 2012 GT3 R
Wow, didn't notice the switch in the RSR, too... Cool!
Aside from being designed to compete and win races, the electronic paddles sure save from missed shifts and keep transmission rebuild costs down!
Aside from being designed to compete and win races, the electronic paddles sure save from missed shifts and keep transmission rebuild costs down!
Many threads on here about how uninvolving the PDK are (or other dual clutch cars), because of the paddle shifters (but they don't have a clutch pedal at all). I have NO intention of derailing this thread in another direction (because the comment, itself, was in reference to multiple other threads).
It was made in jest. It's a lovely looking car, with all the right features in all the right places. I will not be able to afford one.
The RSR is a sequential shift too. You clutch downshifts in both cars. The paddles take place of the push pull sequential shift stick. It's safer to have both hands on the steering wheel.
I don't get all the comments it's uninvolving ...this is a race car designed to compete and win races...not for some yahoo to think he's a race car driver on some back road.
I don't get all the comments it's uninvolving ...this is a race car designed to compete and win races...not for some yahoo to think he's a race car driver on some back road.
Agreed
Paddle shifts are faster and safer! Race cars are made to as fast as possible not so you can go around banging gears.
if one plans to row gears for fun, get a stick, i will always have one.
if one plans to track and be fast, PDK is it or paddle. everything being equal, pdk or the sequential in cup/RSR is faster.
typing on computers is uninvolving, unlike calligraphy. but if you plan to finish your work and go home to drive the porsche, drop the pen and start using the type writer.
if one plans to track and be fast, PDK is it or paddle. everything being equal, pdk or the sequential in cup/RSR is faster.
typing on computers is uninvolving, unlike calligraphy. but if you plan to finish your work and go home to drive the porsche, drop the pen and start using the type writer.
GTR Race Car
I'm sorry for twisting the shorts of the heroes but What is it that doesn't make sense with a GTR ? This isn't a weekend toy. In THIS car the target is ultimate speed not your 'involvement'. Let's consider that no one sends a car such as this to just finish but to WIN. Thinking of the prep and support crew necessary, let alone the cash; so you (aka the special driver) can be involved ? A seq. shifter is going to save seconds each lap.
Honestly, open road or on a closed course for joy, is one thing but to score in racing is the point. Thankfully there were few serious ALMS drivers (in Baltimore on Sunday) that would give up a win for the 'involvement' of their shifts.
Another step forward with Porsche.. In a racing environment the fastest lap only matters ... Period..
Im sure it will be some time before the GT3 Cup car gets the paddles shifters and the GT3R is not homologated to run in any series in North America at this time.
We sure could use this technology for our race cars NOW
Im sure it will be some time before the GT3 Cup car gets the paddles shifters and the GT3R is not homologated to run in any series in North America at this time.
We sure could use this technology for our race cars NOW
Let's be real, this is not about going faster, you are not saving time using the SAME TRANSMISSION by using a stick that you push forward and back vs clicking a paddle. Especially when the auto blipper is already available on the traditional lever based system. Not enough to make a difference unless you are running endurance racing. It makes sense from a cost/error reduction standpoint, especially for amateurs and endurance race teams and missed shifts will kill these transmissions faster than they already die.
There are plenty of really rich guys who jump into cups after a year or two of DE and can't drive the car, see them all the time. This will make life much easier for those and push more of them who aren't sure if they can learn the sequential or don't want to have to rebuild a transmission trying over the edge to buy the car.
There are plenty of really rich guys who jump into cups after a year or two of DE and can't drive the car, see them all the time. This will make life much easier for those and push more of them who aren't sure if they can learn the sequential or don't want to have to rebuild a transmission trying over the edge to buy the car.
Let's be real, this is not about going faster, you are not saving time using the SAME TRANSMISSION by using a stick that you push forward and back vs clicking a paddle. Especially when the auto blipper is already available on the traditional lever based system. Not enough to make a difference unless you are running endurance racing. It makes sense from a cost/error reduction standpoint, especially for amateurs and endurance race teams and missed shifts will kill these transmissions faster than they already die.
There are plenty of really rich guys who jump into cups after a year or two of DE and can't drive the car, see them all the time. This will make life much easier for those and push more of them who aren't sure if they can learn the sequential or don't want to have to rebuild a transmission trying over the edge to buy the car.
There are plenty of really rich guys who jump into cups after a year or two of DE and can't drive the car, see them all the time. This will make life much easier for those and push more of them who aren't sure if they can learn the sequential or don't want to have to rebuild a transmission trying over the edge to buy the car.
And its not only true for the tranny. The R has all the electronic assistances you can imagine for the limited skills of amateur drivers. If you are really able to go fast and don't care to spend $, get the RSR instead.
I'm sorry for twisting the shorts of the heroes but What is it that doesn't make sense with a GTR ? This isn't a weekend toy. In THIS car the target is ultimate speed not your 'involvement'. Let's consider that no one sends a car such as this to just finish but to WIN. Thinking of the prep and support crew necessary, let alone the cash; so you (aka the special driver) can be involved ? A seq. shifter is going to save seconds each lap.
Honestly, open road or on a closed course for joy, is one thing but to score in racing is the point. Thankfully there were few serious ALMS drivers (in Baltimore on Sunday) that would give up a win for the 'involvement' of their shifts.
Honestly, open road or on a closed course for joy, is one thing but to score in racing is the point. Thankfully there were few serious ALMS drivers (in Baltimore on Sunday) that would give up a win for the 'involvement' of their shifts.
If you're still discussing the 'involvement' comment, please refer to post #17.
This isn't a GT-R, it is a Porsche GT3 R. And I don't necessarily think it is faster because of the setup, because it still has the same mechanical engagement/disengagement. It does lend itself to keeping both hands on the wheel while avoiding miss-shifts.
If you're still discussing the 'involvement' comment, please refer to post #17.
If you're still discussing the 'involvement' comment, please refer to post #17.
I do agree with jasper on this one...............
Let's be real, this is not about going faster, you are not saving time using the SAME TRANSMISSION by using a stick that you push forward and back vs clicking a paddle. Especially when the auto blipper is already available on the traditional lever based system. Not enough to make a difference unless you are running endurance racing. It makes sense from a cost/error reduction standpoint, especially for amateurs and endurance race teams and missed shifts will kill these transmissions faster than they already die.
There are plenty of really rich guys who jump into cups after a year or two of DE and can't drive the car, see them all the time. This will make life much easier for those and push more of them who aren't sure if they can learn the sequential or don't want to have to rebuild a transmission trying over the edge to buy the car.
There are plenty of really rich guys who jump into cups after a year or two of DE and can't drive the car, see them all the time. This will make life much easier for those and push more of them who aren't sure if they can learn the sequential or don't want to have to rebuild a transmission trying over the edge to buy the car.
Oh mooty, time to give me back my typewriter.
Yeah, but it's a Porsche, you can configure the color/spray pattern for an additional $10k.




