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Old Sep 4, 2011 | 08:16 PM
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Wow, didn't notice the switch in the RSR, too... Cool!
Aside from being designed to compete and win races, the electronic paddles sure save from missed shifts and keep transmission rebuild costs down!
 
Old Sep 5, 2011 | 02:08 PM
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I don't get all the comments it's uninvolving ...this is a race car designed to compete and win races...not for some yahoo to think he's a race car driver on some back road.
It was just a joke.

Many threads on here about how uninvolving the PDK are (or other dual clutch cars), because of the paddle shifters (but they don't have a clutch pedal at all). I have NO intention of derailing this thread in another direction (because the comment, itself, was in reference to multiple other threads).

It was made in jest. It's a lovely looking car, with all the right features in all the right places. I will not be able to afford one.
 
Old Sep 5, 2011 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mdrums
The RSR is a sequential shift too. You clutch downshifts in both cars. The paddles take place of the push pull sequential shift stick. It's safer to have both hands on the steering wheel.

I don't get all the comments it's uninvolving ...this is a race car designed to compete and win races...not for some yahoo to think he's a race car driver on some back road.

Agreed

Paddle shifts are faster and safer! Race cars are made to as fast as possible not so you can go around banging gears.
 
Old Sep 5, 2011 | 08:06 PM
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if one plans to row gears for fun, get a stick, i will always have one.
if one plans to track and be fast, PDK is it or paddle. everything being equal, pdk or the sequential in cup/RSR is faster.

typing on computers is uninvolving, unlike calligraphy. but if you plan to finish your work and go home to drive the porsche, drop the pen and start using the type writer.
 
Old Sep 5, 2011 | 08:12 PM
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until the cheaper ones with pdk come out more practice for us with 6 speeds. we have to do a lil thinkling before changing gears. im sure alot of newbs will be in the worng gear alot with these lol
 
Old Sep 5, 2011 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jaspergtr
C'mon... Paddle shifters? And rev matching downshifts?

I like rowing the gears, and knowing that I made that downshift........ Ah, nevermind... It's gorgeous. Too bad I'll never be able to get one.

I'm sorry for twisting the shorts of the heroes but What is it that doesn't make sense with a GTR ? This isn't a weekend toy. In THIS car the target is ultimate speed not your 'involvement'. Let's consider that no one sends a car such as this to just finish but to WIN. Thinking of the prep and support crew necessary, let alone the cash; so you (aka the special driver) can be involved ? A seq. shifter is going to save seconds each lap.

Honestly, open road or on a closed course for joy, is one thing but to score in racing is the point. Thankfully there were few serious ALMS drivers (in Baltimore on Sunday) that would give up a win for the 'involvement' of their shifts.
 
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Another step forward with Porsche.. In a racing environment the fastest lap only matters ... Period..


Im sure it will be some time before the GT3 Cup car gets the paddles shifters and the GT3R is not homologated to run in any series in North America at this time.


We sure could use this technology for our race cars NOW
 
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Let's be real, this is not about going faster, you are not saving time using the SAME TRANSMISSION by using a stick that you push forward and back vs clicking a paddle. Especially when the auto blipper is already available on the traditional lever based system. Not enough to make a difference unless you are running endurance racing. It makes sense from a cost/error reduction standpoint, especially for amateurs and endurance race teams and missed shifts will kill these transmissions faster than they already die.

There are plenty of really rich guys who jump into cups after a year or two of DE and can't drive the car, see them all the time. This will make life much easier for those and push more of them who aren't sure if they can learn the sequential or don't want to have to rebuild a transmission trying over the edge to buy the car.
 
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
Let's be real, this is not about going faster, you are not saving time using the SAME TRANSMISSION by using a stick that you push forward and back vs clicking a paddle. Especially when the auto blipper is already available on the traditional lever based system. Not enough to make a difference unless you are running endurance racing. It makes sense from a cost/error reduction standpoint, especially for amateurs and endurance race teams and missed shifts will kill these transmissions faster than they already die.

There are plenty of really rich guys who jump into cups after a year or two of DE and can't drive the car, see them all the time. This will make life much easier for those and push more of them who aren't sure if they can learn the sequential or don't want to have to rebuild a transmission trying over the edge to buy the car.
+1

And its not only true for the tranny. The R has all the electronic assistances you can imagine for the limited skills of amateur drivers. If you are really able to go fast and don't care to spend $, get the RSR instead.
 
Old Sep 7, 2011 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LPpfs997
I'm sorry for twisting the shorts of the heroes but What is it that doesn't make sense with a GTR ? This isn't a weekend toy. In THIS car the target is ultimate speed not your 'involvement'. Let's consider that no one sends a car such as this to just finish but to WIN. Thinking of the prep and support crew necessary, let alone the cash; so you (aka the special driver) can be involved ? A seq. shifter is going to save seconds each lap.

Honestly, open road or on a closed course for joy, is one thing but to score in racing is the point. Thankfully there were few serious ALMS drivers (in Baltimore on Sunday) that would give up a win for the 'involvement' of their shifts.
This isn't a GT-R, it is a Porsche GT3 R. And I don't necessarily think it is faster because of the setup, because it still has the same mechanical engagement/disengagement. It does lend itself to keeping both hands on the wheel while avoiding miss-shifts.

If you're still discussing the 'involvement' comment, please refer to post #17.
 
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Originally Posted by jaspergtr
This isn't a GT-R, it is a Porsche GT3 R. And I don't necessarily think it is faster because of the setup, because it still has the same mechanical engagement/disengagement. It does lend itself to keeping both hands on the wheel while avoiding miss-shifts.

If you're still discussing the 'involvement' comment, please refer to post #17.

I do agree with jasper on this one...............
 
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
Let's be real, this is not about going faster, you are not saving time using the SAME TRANSMISSION by using a stick that you push forward and back vs clicking a paddle. Especially when the auto blipper is already available on the traditional lever based system. Not enough to make a difference unless you are running endurance racing. It makes sense from a cost/error reduction standpoint, especially for amateurs and endurance race teams and missed shifts will kill these transmissions faster than they already die.

There are plenty of really rich guys who jump into cups after a year or two of DE and can't drive the car, see them all the time. This will make life much easier for those and push more of them who aren't sure if they can learn the sequential or don't want to have to rebuild a transmission trying over the edge to buy the car.
After driving my Cup for the last couple months I welcome an automatic and a lazy chair in the car if I can get it. It is REALLY HARD to drive a Cup and it's like learning to walk all over again. Everything about the Cup is different from a street GT3. It is hard to get in and out and buckle up takes 5 minutes, it's hot and jet turbine noisy in the cabin, no ABS so get couple sets of scrub tires to flat spot, clutch is stiffer than your mother in-laws upper lip and working the sequential, cluctch and brakes require coordination and skill of a rockstar drummer ... then you need to learn what all the little button does on the dash, read motec data, refuel the car without setting it on fire, load it on and off trailer and after you done all that you still have to suit up and make sure you got ice in your cool shirt ice box so you don't fry. It is alot of work to drive a Cup so I welcome any little convience Porsche has to offer. It's a PITA to own and drive a Cup but I seems to have a silly smile on my face after each track event.

Oh mooty, time to give me back my typewriter.
 
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Comes complete with paint over-spray on the seat? Or am I missing something...
 
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Comes complete with paint over-spray on the seat? Or am I missing something...
Yeah, but it's a Porsche, you can configure the color/spray pattern for an additional $10k.
 


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