I agree, if you have paid a deposit than they (the dealer) is obligated to sell you the car at the agreed price. Realizing you can sell the car for $50k over retail or whatever is BS, an agreement is an agreement especially when a deposit has been made. They are real quick to take your money but they are equally quick to screw someone over a buck, greed, very sad.

I never give a deposit if the car is not on the lot, these guys have ZERO morals/ethics

I also think they should not be allowed to sell on this forum, you see this happening way to often IMO

Christian

 

My question still stands: Did these people actually order these cars, and when the ordered car arrived they didn't get it, and it was sold to someone else at a premium? If that's the case, then it's BS, but if it's a car that the dealership got because someone ordered it and backed out, or if they bought it or it was a trade, then they can sell it at what ever anyone is willing to pay for it. It looks to me on all these threads that no one has ordered the car, but they're bummed out because a car came in before they ordered it, and it's now being sold at "market price", and/or they have been told that there's not enough allocation for their order, which is totally believable especially on the '08s since there's such a small amount of them being made. If I'm incorrect in that, then I apologize in advance, but in reading through these threads this is my impression.

 

There is a gentleman (Rich) who ordered one and put a deposit down for one at Manhattan Motors and an 08 came trough the forum for $210k. The dealer never contacted him about it. 08's were supposed to be for Porsche customers that did not get an 07 allocation.

 

Was this car a MMC RS, or a car that MMC got from another avenue? This is the magical question. If MMC payed over sticker for this car then why should they give it to Rich at MSRP? It it is their car they got at invoice it should be his.

 

My interpretation is that people were put on the list. Deposits were paid and then returned. I was on the list at Beverly Hills Porsche. I transfered my spot to the next person in line and got there second GT3. ( Stupid I know but who cares, I love my car. ) They honored there commitments.

The B.S. is the dealers that had paid deposit on cars that were suppose to be allocated to the customer. Once the dealers realized all the hype they simply returned the deposits and are now bending people over for $$$ over. I had a buddy who had 2 deposits. I was going to take one and him the other. One dealer said they never ran his credit card, the other ran his card and then refunded it without even telling him. B.S. in my book......

If the dealers would have told customers that there is no waiting list and we are going to hold an auction for every car we get, I and many others would not be so pissed.

The last issue is people were promised cars early on. They assumed they would get a car. The dealer pulls the plug on them and it is too late to find another car. If they would have known up front they could have put down a deposit at another dealer. All people want is for dealers to honor there deposits on cars that they were allocated. Nothing more. It sucks.....

 

I saw that thread also, and before it was locked, MMC said that the car that was being sold was not his car, but another car bought from another dealer, however, there was no proof given. And the person who supposedly ordered it (Rich) never said that the car that being sold was the car that he had ordered, he just said that he had a deposit and was supposed to get an '08 car through that dealership at MSRP and was bummed that he wasn't offered that car at MSRP. Unless I read it wrong.

 

With so few RS's produced, I can not imagine a single dealer that does not currently have list a yard long from one of their existing customers wanting to order a car. So when I here that a dealer sold a car to another dealer and therefore the purchasing dealer is not obligated to sell that car at MSRP then it all seems to be a fabricated sham. There is not a single dealer that has an extra car at MSRP that he was forced to sell to another dealer.

This seems to be the crux of the problem. Dealers are looking to make a quick buck, without regard for loyal customers. I don't fault them for wanting to making more money on each car, but they are selling a product which has a set price from the factory and should sell it at that price.

In my situation I am on a list in San Diego, and learned that my dealer (Pioneer) ended up selling an RS to a customer as MSRP, customer being a loyal multi-Porsche purchaser, the customer drove the car for two weeks brought it back to the dealer and asked him to sell it for $40k above what he bought it. The dealer sold the car shortly after at the higher price.

 

There is no real way to tell is the car that they were selling was "his" car but read my previous post regarding 08's. No 08's should be selling for over MSRP as they were all allocated for specific buyers. If a buyer takes delivery of an 08 they can turn around and sell them for whatever they want but a dealer should not be selling new 08's for over MSRP.

 

Dealers have also been known to put a few miles on a car, get it titled to somebody and sell it as a "used" car. This kind of crap should be illegal.

 

Keep in mind that some of these cars could be on consignment to be sold by the dealer, which if you believe in conspiracy theories, could have been orchestrated by the dealer. But also keep in mind that there has been more than one person on this board that has sold their RS for a premium as well, after owning it for a short time period.

Some people have mentioned that the dealers who are doing this should not be allowed to be sponsors, then what about the board members that are flipping their cars for a profit?

Personally, I only do business with people I trust, not only with cars. I must say that the guys at Pacific Porsche have always treated me well, and have always delivered on what they have promised, and that's why I will continue to do business with them. I know that at least one person on this board had posted that they didn't have a good experience, however, I've heard the other side and it shows yet again, that there are always two sides to a story, so just remember that before starting a lynch mob against anyone.

 

Maybe Porsche does have price controls in check that the dealers found a loophole in. I can totally believe dealerships selling a new car to someone, put in a few miles, get it back and sell it as used car to justify the price hike and tell customers its a new car, which is believable due to the low mileage! Porsche definitely doesn't have control over the used car market! That should def. be illegal! I wonder if a carfax will disclose it. Goddamn *******s! Seriously I think a better solution is to have the customer sell it back to the dealership at the cost they bought it for if they want to avoid the customers from making a profit. I'm sure this will stop all the nonsense and give a piece of mind!
-Justin

 

Right on. Rennteam and Renlist way better.

 

Pardon my ignorance -perhaps it's the wine- but I don't get it?

 

"Sell" the car to (usually) an employee, they then are able to title it that way... turn around and sell it as a used car.

 

Maybe you and CNC should go have a tea party over there