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Old Sep 7, 2008 | 10:12 PM
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they look good, just a little blurry.
 
Old Sep 7, 2008 | 10:17 PM
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Yeah weather in Florida was not at its best during the shoot. Glad you guys like them. If anyone would like a personalized quote feel free to pm me. We are offering great tire packages!
 
Old Sep 8, 2008 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by carlover08
honestlly looks horriable why would they put these no name wheels looks really bad sorry . heff is to high end to use these no names..ouch

lol........and i thought only women were dumb enough to think the "name" on their stuff is important.

if the wheels are a quality built product, have correct fitment, and the owner likes the way they look, then who the hell cares what "name" is on it.

often times the quality of your so-called "high end" wheels is no different than their lesser known counterparts, youre just paying for the status of having their name on it.

i bet you have a high end name on your man purse though.




btw, the wheels look great, i bet the car looks sick in person, ill have to swing by his shop sometime i think its nearby my office.
 

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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 09:21 PM
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lol........and i thought only women were dumb enough to think the "name" on their stuff is important.

if the wheels are a quality built product, have correct fitment, and the owner likes the way they look, then who the hell cares what "name" is on it.

often times the quality of your so-called "high end" wheels is no different than their lesser known counterparts, youre just paying for the status of having their name on it.

i bet you have a high end name on your man purse though.




btw, the wheels look great, i bet the car looks sick in person, ill have to swing by his shop sometime i think its nearby my office.

sorry i wasn't going to respond but i just couldn't leave it alone ! You must not have kids nor care for the life have you read the horror stories on no name wheels flying of cars i read some where on 6speed some guy forgedwheels i think his name is i cant find the post but asked all these new wheel companies do they build their wheels and if they do too prove testing they never did only avoid the question . So your willing to put wheels on a 1000hp car that are not tested nor pass any test prov en ? you must not love your life! i dealt with this and iforged never again !

i guess looks isn't everything after all !

not trying to bash but come on ! i know it sounds bad but safety 1st
 

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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 01blacks4
looks good, except the rivets....
Please.....
The wheel fasteners are not rivets. Rivets have no threads and are not used in wheels. Call them bolts, call them fasteners, call them hardware but please do not call them rivets.
 
Old Sep 8, 2008 | 09:56 PM
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I was asked to weigh in on this, so here goes:

Wheel manufacturing is serious business. Your life is at stake. Many wheel companies have no engineering staff and do not do any third party testing. They simply pretend.
Other companies spend a TON of energy and money making sure their wheels are safe by having outside labs verify the tests.
(I have absolutely no knowledge if any company mentioned herein does or does not have engineering and testing programs).
My point is simply this; If you have done the work and done the testing, why would you not want to share the test data with those who care? There is nothing proprietary about the tests. It is a pass/fail based upon size and load.
In my opinion, those who really have the data can set a refreshing new standard by sharing it. Those who don't will probably continue making excuses.
If everyone who cares asks for the data, the bar will be raised, and everyone will be safer.
 
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I insure you, out of all the customer which we have provided wheels for we have never had an incedent with a wheel flying off or a center shattering. I have heard that these cases have ocurred with particular wheel line which I will not mention because it is unprofessional. Modular concept only uses Treated 6061 grade aluminum which is the best for performance applications. Why: The lighest aluminum used for forging is light but very weak, if you hit a pothole or curve you will destroy the wheel. 6061 is not as light but strong enough to withstand an impact or simply the output from high performance vehicles. All the vehicles which we have provided for are high performance majority over 400hp and we have never had a complaint with any issues. Search the forums and you will come back empty handed. Also majority of wheels who posses these issues are companys who go over seas! We do not do so. We have our forgings done in a major facility in California with " T-6061 " and assemble the wheel with full stainless hardware. We have professional in house painters who add the finishes to the wheels along with a carbon specialist who specifically does our carbon work. If you see one of our wheels in the street dont be afraid to approach it, inspect the superb quality of craftsmanship that goes into our wheel. Customers are intimidated with thinking out the box when it comes to wheels, as I said you have to try new things " UNIQUE" !! . We definitely test our sets before they are put on the market if not we would be putting a rope around our necks.

"Carl " we would hate to know that one of our wheels caused an accident wether serious or fatal. We feel that safety does come first and as I mentioned that is why our wheels are tested under extreme temperature ( at high speed the wheel becomes very hot making the wheel malleable), Load ( at high speeds the wheel is put under strenious pressure) and corrosions( Can wear the life of the wheel and lead to destruction). Our wheels have been long tested way before we even opened our doors.
 
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Originally Posted by m-concept
I insure you, out of all the customer which we have provided wheels for we have never had an incedent with a wheel flying off or a center shattering. I have heard that these cases have ocurred with particular wheel line which I will not mention because it is unprofessional. Modular concept only uses Treated 6061 grade aluminum which is the best for performance applications. Why: The lighest aluminum used for forging is light but very weak, if you hit a pothole or curve you will destroy the wheel. 6061 is not as light but strong enough to withstand an impact or simply the output from high performance vehicles. All the vehicles which we have provided for are high performance majority over 400hp and we have never had a complaint with any issues. Search the forums and you will come back empty handed. Also majority of wheels who posses these issues are companys who go over seas! We do not do so. We have our forgings done in a major facility in California with " T-6061 " and assemble the wheel with full stainless hardware. We have professional in house painters who add the finishes to the wheels along with a carbon specialist who specifically does our carbon work. If you see one of our wheels in the street dont be afraid to approach it, inspect the superb quality of craftsmanship that goes into our wheel. Customers are intimidated with thinking out the box when it comes to wheels, as I said you have to try new things " UNIQUE" !! . We definitely test our sets before they are put on the market if not we would be putting a rope around our necks.

"Carl " we would hate to know that one of our wheels caused an accident wether serious or fatal. We feel that safety does come first and as I mentioned that is why our wheels are tested under extreme temperature ( at high speed the wheel becomes very hot making the wheel malleable), Load ( at high speeds the wheel is put under strenious pressure) and corrosions( Can wear the life of the wheel and lead to destruction). Our wheels have been long tested way before we even opened our doors.
To correct for accuracy, there is no significant difference in weight between 6061, 5052, 5454, or any other aluminum alloy for that matter. The differences lie in the alloy itself and also how the parts are made. Most rim sections in 3-piece wheels are spun from cast alloys of aluminum. They aren't forged at all. 6061 is heat treated for strength, 5000 series alloys are not, but they do "work harden" over time. But neither of these parts qualifies as a forged part because they never see a forge. The forging process squeezes the material under millions of pounds of pressure, enhancing the strength and durability of the part. The heat treating process also adds considerable strength. For example, 6061/T0 (no heat treat) has a tensile strength of about 18,000 psi. 6061/T6 has a tensile strength of over 40,000 psi. Same alloy (aluminum, magnesium and silicon), different curing process.
With all due respect to m-concept, these types of misconceptions from a manufacturer lead me to assert that all wheel companies should submit their wheels to "disinterested" third parties for testing. In this way, consumer confidence in the safety of the product is enhanced, and potential problems are detected and eliminated. Just my opinion.....
 
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Originally Posted by m-concept
forgewheeler,

where exactly did you pull this quote from? i don't remember writing it and i would have been the only person in the position to post on this forum. this leads me to believe it has been fabricated and you are intentionally trying to provide false information on our company. i have witnessed your previous attacks on other forum sponsors. what wheel company do you work for? please inform. alain
It is really discouraging to have my opinion characterized as an "attack".
I have never in this forum, or any other, made a case in favor of any wheel company or against another, despite many requests to do so. My position is only that there should be more transparency when it comes to engineering, certification and testing. This is a safety issue, and nothing more.
As to "fabricating" posts or "intentionally trying to provide false information", your suggestion is ridiculous and offensive.
 
Old Sep 9, 2008 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by carlover08
So your willing to put wheels on a 1000hp car that are not tested nor pass any test prov en ? you must not love your life! i dealt with this and iforged never again !

i guess looks isn't everything after all !

not trying to bash but come on ! i know it sounds bad but safety 1st
Doesn't iForged also make the wheels for 360 Forged?
 
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well M-concept where are the test results? shut everyone up cant be any easier! Also forgewheeler can you show us what test results look like i have never seen true results ? this will truly be an informative post then thank you ! question forgedwheeler if someone shows me results and a piece of paper how can i verify those results? call the company who did the test to verify accuracy? thanks sorry just want to learn
 
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Originally Posted by carlover08
well M-concept where are the test results? shut everyone up cant be any easier! Also forgewheeler can you show us what test results look like i have never seen true results ? this will truly be an informative post then thank you ! question forgedwheeler if someone shows me results and a piece of paper how can i verify those results? call the company who did the test to verify accuracy? thanks sorry just want to learn
This is what a real STL test report looks like.
This cornering fatigue test is the toughest for a wheel. The wheel is run for 150,000 cycles at 200% of rated load (as if in a 2g corner). SAE J2530 says this represents 100,000 miles of normal vehicle life. At AMT, we run the test twice, on the same part, just to be sure.
The report shows wheel size, weight, rated load, what factors constitute a failure. There is nothing proprietary.
Standards Testing Laboratory issues a PDF of the test data on every test.
If you need help understanding the data, PM me.
 
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Doesn't iForged also make the wheels for 360 Forged?
no thank you. I'm sure they make great wheels, but no affiliation.
Good luck on this thread Alain, the G looks great.
 
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Originally Posted by carlover08
sorry i wasn't going to respond but i just couldn't leave it alone ! You must not have kids nor care for the life have you read the horror stories on no name wheels flying of cars i read some where on 6speed some guy forgedwheels i think his name is i cant find the post but asked all these new wheel companies do they build their wheels and if they do too prove testing they never did only avoid the question . So your willing to put wheels on a 1000hp car that are not tested nor pass any test prov en ? you must not love your life! i dealt with this and iforged never again !

i guess looks isn't everything after all !

not trying to bash but come on ! i know it sounds bad but safety 1st
i 100% agree that products at this level definetly need to be able to handle the job.

notice the very first thing i said is "if the wheels are a quality built product"........which means proper design, engineering, and testing for the application it is to be used in.......i wasnt suggesting someone should slap $500 ebay wheels on their 1000hp car...........just making the point that its silly to dislike a wheel simply because it doesnt have a specific name on it. afterall, those companies started at some point in the past and were uknown as well and had to build up their name over time.

wouldnt you agree, its would be better to actually find out from the company what sort of R&D and testing they undergo before saying they are a bad choice?
 
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i 100% agree that products at this level definetly need to be able to handle the job.

notice the very first thing i said is "if the wheels are a quality built product"........which means proper design, engineering, and testing for the application it is to be used in.......i wasnt suggesting someone should slap $500 ebay wheels on their 1000hp car...........just making the point that its silly to dislike a wheel simply because it doesnt have a specific name on it. afterall, those companies started at some point in the past and were uknown as well and had to build up their name over time.

wouldnt you agree, its would be better to actually find out from the company what sort of R&D and testing they undergo before saying they are a bad choice?
I agree completely! Pre-judging a company just because they are small is grossly unfair. In fact, to my personal knowledge, some of the larger wheel companies have the worst engineering and testing programs.
Be informed, ask questions, and get the data. An informed consumer is the most powerful.
 

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