Looking to buy LP560, what to look out for
I'm sure every company would love to have a monopoly on their market, and charge up the ***. Twin Turbo Gallardo that makes 1500rwhp? Sure, that'll be $200,000 on top of the price of the car. Sells great until someone comes out with the exact same thing for $150,000. I'm sure most of the independently wealthy didn't make their money overpaying for everything. Also, UGR had a 9 second Gallardo, which inspired Heffner to develop their "Elite" kit and build a Gallardo that goes 8's. UGR responds with a Gallardo that goes even faster. Rumor had it that the UGR car ran the time it did before Heffner, but they had no "reason" to post the video until afterwards. True or not, I'm not sure, but Heffner's 8 second pass definitely upped the ante.
Off the top of my head, I personally know 4 people with UGR Gallardo kits, 3 people with Heffner kits, 1 with a Titan kit, and 3 with Dallas Performance kits. I've been able to see the inner workings of the Heffner, Titan, and Dallas Performance kits (cars torn apart, off the car, wiring jobs, fabrication work, etc.). It's an eye opener to see where some companies will make a shortcut, and where others won't compromise on their builds.
Obviously there are people that think UGR isn't the only game in town, so as competition heats up, I imagine prices will come down for the lower power kits, parts will be developed to push the limits for those that want to, and the customer will benefit regardless.
I start by providing the build time frame on their build sheet. If we don't get the build done on time, the customer will not have to pay us anything. That's right! The customer will get the upgrade at no charge if we miss the deadline! We complete full builds (stage2-3) in 6-8 weeks, Guaranteed! Obviously, there are guidelines that must be followed by the customer for this guarantee but it’s all very clean cut.
wow!! That is special!!Kevin, if it takes only 6-8 weeks for a full build, how long does it take for a bolt on set-up on a 560?
Seriously? LOL. Seems like every time a new Gallardo tuner steps up, these discussions happen. I still remember the big hoopla with Heffner vs. UGR a couple of years ago, and the thread with Ripper's 04 Heffner Gallardo that was converted to a UGR car. Everybody was up in arms against UGR, and the Heffner faithful bashed UGR not understanding why anyone would go with UGR, and vice versa. I loved their Viper builds back when I had a Viper, so I was excited to see the TTG kits. In fact, Walt's UGR TT 06 Viper was what made me pick up a Blue/White Viper. I thought it was great that UGR was giving RSI, Hennessey, Heffner and the sort, competition to build bigger and better things. Now you have more company's that are expanding into the Lamborghini market and that's a BAD thing?
I'm sure every company would love to have a monopoly on their market, and charge up the ***. Twin Turbo Gallardo that makes 1500rwhp? Sure, that'll be $200,000 on top of the price of the car. Sells great until someone comes out with the exact same thing for $150,000. I'm sure most of the independently wealthy didn't make their money overpaying for everything. Also, UGR had a 9 second Gallardo, which inspired Heffner to develop their "Elite" kit and build a Gallardo that goes 8's. UGR responds with a Gallardo that goes even faster. Rumor had it that the UGR car ran the time it did before Heffner, but they had no "reason" to post the video until afterwards. True or not, I'm not sure, but Heffner's 8 second pass definitely upped the ante.
Off the top of my head, I personally know 4 people with UGR Gallardo kits, 3 people with Heffner kits, 1 with a Titan kit, and 3 with Dallas Performance kits. I've been able to see the inner workings of the Heffner, Titan, and Dallas Performance kits (cars torn apart, off the car, wiring jobs, fabrication work, etc.). It's an eye opener to see where some companies will make a shortcut, and where others won't compromise on their builds.
Obviously there are people that think UGR isn't the only game in town, so as competition heats up, I imagine prices will come down for the lower power kits, parts will be developed to push the limits for those that want to, and the customer will benefit regardless.
I'm sure every company would love to have a monopoly on their market, and charge up the ***. Twin Turbo Gallardo that makes 1500rwhp? Sure, that'll be $200,000 on top of the price of the car. Sells great until someone comes out with the exact same thing for $150,000. I'm sure most of the independently wealthy didn't make their money overpaying for everything. Also, UGR had a 9 second Gallardo, which inspired Heffner to develop their "Elite" kit and build a Gallardo that goes 8's. UGR responds with a Gallardo that goes even faster. Rumor had it that the UGR car ran the time it did before Heffner, but they had no "reason" to post the video until afterwards. True or not, I'm not sure, but Heffner's 8 second pass definitely upped the ante.
Off the top of my head, I personally know 4 people with UGR Gallardo kits, 3 people with Heffner kits, 1 with a Titan kit, and 3 with Dallas Performance kits. I've been able to see the inner workings of the Heffner, Titan, and Dallas Performance kits (cars torn apart, off the car, wiring jobs, fabrication work, etc.). It's an eye opener to see where some companies will make a shortcut, and where others won't compromise on their builds.
Obviously there are people that think UGR isn't the only game in town, so as competition heats up, I imagine prices will come down for the lower power kits, parts will be developed to push the limits for those that want to, and the customer will benefit regardless.
1. They run WAY faster than all the other companies, regardless of how much power these other builds make. It is always the UGR cars that are winning. The UGR Lambo's are the cars to beat, they are king of the hill. UGR holds 1-mile MPH record, 1/4 mile E.T/MPH, highest HP, etc. Pretty good track record, which is important in any type of business.
2. When building a TT G, price really isn't the biggest factor. I'd rather pay an extra $30-50k and have a top of line, quality kit. It is obvious UGR has far more time in the Lambo game than anyone else, all their kits they offer are top-notch. Most other companies don't even do the 560s/570s, or R8 yet, so if you own one of the newer models you probably would want someone who has experience doing them.
3. Look at their sheer magnitude of cars they have built, no other company has come close to the amount of TT G's they have built. That speaks for itself.
4. Because having an "Underground Lambo" sounds awesome.
Just that alone would justify the price tag for me.Just my opinion, but when the time comes you'd better believe I'll spend my money building a car with Underground Racing.
Last edited by iBoost; Dec 6, 2012 at 08:26 PM.
Since I looked into buying an LP560 and then getting some serious work done to it(parts and $$ wise) I've spoken to a number of individuals who have owned TT Gs from UGR, Heffner, and Dallas Performance.. All have had good things to say about the shops, performance, general customer service, etc. The thing that has truly struck me though was the guys who have done UGR Gallardo TTs or other vehicles built by them was the amount of backing they had for UGR. I've dealt with a number of high end shops over the years with a number of my vehicles and in 100% honesty I've never seen a company that had customers so satisfied with the results/shop itself. The aforementioned bigger name shops that have built a number of TT Gallardos build great cars. Cars that perform like few others on the street/track ever have, cars that are notoriously difficult to do big power builds with. From everything I've seen all the shops mentioned are great at what they do but from everything I've heard UGR just does it a little bit better than the rest.
Within a few days of me mentioning possibly doing a TT LP560 build I had no less than a handful of UGR customers personally contact me offering up support/advice to help me making my decision. Not a single UGR customer bad mouthed another shop, all in fact advised me to contact the other shops also to see where they stand in comparison. Also without me contacting them, UGR themselves called me personally to chat about the possibility of going with them.
All these big shops produce big power and produce results, but none I've seen offer anywhere near the guarantees offered up by UGR. What people need to see is that when were talking about producing huge power numbers(1k whp - 1500+ whp) vehicles are notoriously prone to breakdown due to the sheer amount of force involved at those levels. We're not talking about putting a turbo kit on a civic here either. Putting a vehicle with a $250k+ msrp in the hands of anyone requires a big amount of trust and for me the only company I'd truly trust to keep their word on build time/power/reliability is UGR after everything I've learned in this process.
I'd like to personally thank Peter and Kevin though for the words of wisdom and helping guide me through the process of where to go once I get my LP in hand.
Within a few days of me mentioning possibly doing a TT LP560 build I had no less than a handful of UGR customers personally contact me offering up support/advice to help me making my decision. Not a single UGR customer bad mouthed another shop, all in fact advised me to contact the other shops also to see where they stand in comparison. Also without me contacting them, UGR themselves called me personally to chat about the possibility of going with them.
All these big shops produce big power and produce results, but none I've seen offer anywhere near the guarantees offered up by UGR. What people need to see is that when were talking about producing huge power numbers(1k whp - 1500+ whp) vehicles are notoriously prone to breakdown due to the sheer amount of force involved at those levels. We're not talking about putting a turbo kit on a civic here either. Putting a vehicle with a $250k+ msrp in the hands of anyone requires a big amount of trust and for me the only company I'd truly trust to keep their word on build time/power/reliability is UGR after everything I've learned in this process.
I'd like to personally thank Peter and Kevin though for the words of wisdom and helping guide me through the process of where to go once I get my LP in hand.
So after all of this, the seller backed out last minute on the deal. He's a close friend of mine, so it definitely brought about some heated arguments between us because in the time frame I had settled on his LP, another LP i was considering was sold, so I missed out on that one. I'm almost happy now that it didn't go through because I have changed my mind a bit about what I'm after. Looking strongly at LP640s and 670-SVs instead. The more I thought about having a TT Gallardo, the more I wanted a TT 640/670 instead. So the search continues now, have a few vehicles in mind that I'm actively looking at. Will keep you guys updated though.
If anyone has a nice 640 or 670 w/ CCBs or knows someone that does gimme a shout.
If anyone has a nice 640 or 670 w/ CCBs or knows someone that does gimme a shout.
Btw drove a McLaren MP4-12C today, possibly the most impressed I've ever been in a stock production vehicle, simply awesome. Insanely quick car and the suspension setup is completely in its own league compared to anything I've driven. Gearbox also was beyond impressive and shifts quicker/more seamless than any double clutch I've even driven. Almost wish I hadn't driven it though because after the 15-20 miles I drove it around it completely has taken over my mind in what I want/need
Of course you do, butterfly doors are the coolest door setups out there except maybe the Koenigsegg door setups. The Mclaren was awesome though, probably the best all around car I've ever driven(looks, interior, brakes, suspension, performance, etc). Even with how quick it is from the factory, I could see it handling much higher HP numbers with relative ease also. Doesn't feel overwhelmed by the power it has in any way. Would love to see what it really possible with it if someone like UGR got there hands on one of em.



