WTB Burton Vapor
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Originally Posted by shakazulu12
How much can you get a T6 at the outlet store for? What years?
Anyhow, the T6 and Vapor are total opposites as far as what they are like to ride.
The Vapor is flexy, playful, has a TON of pop. Its got a mellower sidecut, is totally not a free-ride board (I don't care what burton says in the catalogue, try it and you will see). Its an all mountain/free-style deck that excells on kickers and pipe. Its also a ton of fun to just cruise the mountain looking for natural terrain features to jib/jump off of. Obviously you can't hit rails with it because of the alluminium core. Very easy to butter, and like I said, tons of pop for ollies. Incredibly fast base too.
It gets real sketchy at warp speed though, not due to bad board design or anything, its just a softer board.
Compared to the T6:
T6 is actually faster somehow, its probably the fasest board I have been on, with the Palmer Honeycomb III and Head Team ICT coming in close seconds. Its is STIFF! Beginners hate the T6. Its really meant for intermediate to advanced riders only who know how to flex a stiff board and make it dance. If you can, you will find it to be one of the most precise and lighting quick boards you can get. It goes from edge to edge in the blink of an eye, and holds an edge like a champ. It really is only fun if you are riding like Terje or Muller though, it totally beats you up when you are just cruising around, think F40 in day to day traffic and you get a good idea, the Vapor would be more like a 997TT.
Awesome free-riding board. You can boost really high out of quarters and in the pipe if you know what you are doing. Since its so stiff, it takes some talent/muscle to make it pop right, so average people frequently jump on it and call it "lifeless" while better riders think its hardwired into their brain.
Very stable on huge kickers, anything over about 40-50 feet on the vapor feels a little strange. The Vapor is so light, and pops you off the lip so much that the first time I went off a big one, I actually felt like there was nothing on my feet! Very strange sensation and it resulted in me splitting my helmet in half on impact. Took literally ten jumps to get used to it, as it feels like you can't stay very stable in the air. T6, while still being super light, feels more substantial on the big ones, also more planted on the landings.
Both boards are insane in powder, I'm 5'11" about 165 and ride a 160 Vapor and usually a 159 T6 (don't have one anymore, but want to get another one again). I have had both in over three feet of powder and didn't even set my stance back from the default inch (kinda tricky if it got flat, but was awesome in tree's!)
A lot would depend on use, if you are just cruising the mountain and getting into fun where you can, the go with the vapor, its worth the wait to find one, and you still have two months before the season kicks off. If you are into hardcore free-riding, or competing in slopestyle or pipe then grab a T6.
Personally I bought a Head Team ICT after riding it to replace my T6, it has a "chip" which alters the flex characteristics of the board while riding which makes it friendlier when just cruising, but just as stable (actually more so) as the T6 when hauling it.
I want to get another T6 though because its like taming a wild beast, its very satisfying to shred on a board that is harder to ride and ge ta ton out of it. Though I still think the Head is a better board overall.
Let me know if you have any questions, I have six boards in my quiver now (including the Vapor) and demo a ton more, so I've been on a lot. I'm no pro rider or anything, but I've played around enough to know a little.
Anyhow, the T6 and Vapor are total opposites as far as what they are like to ride.
The Vapor is flexy, playful, has a TON of pop. Its got a mellower sidecut, is totally not a free-ride board (I don't care what burton says in the catalogue, try it and you will see). Its an all mountain/free-style deck that excells on kickers and pipe. Its also a ton of fun to just cruise the mountain looking for natural terrain features to jib/jump off of. Obviously you can't hit rails with it because of the alluminium core. Very easy to butter, and like I said, tons of pop for ollies. Incredibly fast base too.
It gets real sketchy at warp speed though, not due to bad board design or anything, its just a softer board.
Compared to the T6:
T6 is actually faster somehow, its probably the fasest board I have been on, with the Palmer Honeycomb III and Head Team ICT coming in close seconds. Its is STIFF! Beginners hate the T6. Its really meant for intermediate to advanced riders only who know how to flex a stiff board and make it dance. If you can, you will find it to be one of the most precise and lighting quick boards you can get. It goes from edge to edge in the blink of an eye, and holds an edge like a champ. It really is only fun if you are riding like Terje or Muller though, it totally beats you up when you are just cruising around, think F40 in day to day traffic and you get a good idea, the Vapor would be more like a 997TT.
Awesome free-riding board. You can boost really high out of quarters and in the pipe if you know what you are doing. Since its so stiff, it takes some talent/muscle to make it pop right, so average people frequently jump on it and call it "lifeless" while better riders think its hardwired into their brain.
Very stable on huge kickers, anything over about 40-50 feet on the vapor feels a little strange. The Vapor is so light, and pops you off the lip so much that the first time I went off a big one, I actually felt like there was nothing on my feet! Very strange sensation and it resulted in me splitting my helmet in half on impact. Took literally ten jumps to get used to it, as it feels like you can't stay very stable in the air. T6, while still being super light, feels more substantial on the big ones, also more planted on the landings.
Both boards are insane in powder, I'm 5'11" about 165 and ride a 160 Vapor and usually a 159 T6 (don't have one anymore, but want to get another one again). I have had both in over three feet of powder and didn't even set my stance back from the default inch (kinda tricky if it got flat, but was awesome in tree's!)
A lot would depend on use, if you are just cruising the mountain and getting into fun where you can, the go with the vapor, its worth the wait to find one, and you still have two months before the season kicks off. If you are into hardcore free-riding, or competing in slopestyle or pipe then grab a T6.
Personally I bought a Head Team ICT after riding it to replace my T6, it has a "chip" which alters the flex characteristics of the board while riding which makes it friendlier when just cruising, but just as stable (actually more so) as the T6 when hauling it.
I want to get another T6 though because its like taming a wild beast, its very satisfying to shred on a board that is harder to ride and ge ta ton out of it. Though I still think the Head is a better board overall.
Let me know if you have any questions, I have six boards in my quiver now (including the Vapor) and demo a ton more, so I've been on a lot. I'm no pro rider or anything, but I've played around enough to know a little.
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Let me know if you have any questions, I have six boards in my quiver now (including the Vapor) and demo a ton more, so I've been on a lot. I'm no pro rider or anything, but I've played around enough to know a little.[/quote]
Well after reading all your input I can tell you really know your stuff. This is kind of the other end of the snowboarding spectrum but I figured I'd see what you thought. I live in East TN. I started riding a few years ago on this horrible mountian call Beech Mtn. It's small and sucks. So to have fun we would make jumps or hit rails on the rental property. I went out west to Vail and did some backcountry. Did Breck and Big Bear. I was just giving you some background.
Here's my issue. I started with cheap old burton twin that was too small. I wear 13s so I have to buy a wide board. I upgraded to a used 155 Burton Floater and C60bindings. Liked it. One year I got all new stuff and thought the most expensive would be the best. Atomic Mugshot a wideboard that was suppose to be park orrented. STIFF. Burton Ions-narrow and stiff. Burton P1-HD's, looked cool, but STIFF. I didn't ride much the past 2 years but when I did I hated my setup. Im going to ride a lot this year. Mainly Snowshoe, WV and local small Mtns. The small Mtns now have parks. The reality is all the places I ride a park board can serve as an all mountian board. I am only going to ride out west once this year.
Hows this sound: 157Burton Twin: Burton Cartels : Burton Hails (which my rep thinks he can get me in an 11 1\2. He said I was getting the 13 before to try and make up for the narrow fit.) Im not a Burton only guy, I just don't know of anyone that can offer a more flexable wide board. Plus my rep said if I don't like anything we'll try something else.
Any thoughts or suggestions would be great!
Well after reading all your input I can tell you really know your stuff. This is kind of the other end of the snowboarding spectrum but I figured I'd see what you thought. I live in East TN. I started riding a few years ago on this horrible mountian call Beech Mtn. It's small and sucks. So to have fun we would make jumps or hit rails on the rental property. I went out west to Vail and did some backcountry. Did Breck and Big Bear. I was just giving you some background.
Here's my issue. I started with cheap old burton twin that was too small. I wear 13s so I have to buy a wide board. I upgraded to a used 155 Burton Floater and C60bindings. Liked it. One year I got all new stuff and thought the most expensive would be the best. Atomic Mugshot a wideboard that was suppose to be park orrented. STIFF. Burton Ions-narrow and stiff. Burton P1-HD's, looked cool, but STIFF. I didn't ride much the past 2 years but when I did I hated my setup. Im going to ride a lot this year. Mainly Snowshoe, WV and local small Mtns. The small Mtns now have parks. The reality is all the places I ride a park board can serve as an all mountian board. I am only going to ride out west once this year.
Hows this sound: 157Burton Twin: Burton Cartels : Burton Hails (which my rep thinks he can get me in an 11 1\2. He said I was getting the 13 before to try and make up for the narrow fit.) Im not a Burton only guy, I just don't know of anyone that can offer a more flexable wide board. Plus my rep said if I don't like anything we'll try something else.
Any thoughts or suggestions would be great!
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Originally Posted by BrotherHinkle
Let me know if you have any questions, I have six boards in my quiver now (including the Vapor) and demo a ton more, so I've been on a lot. I'm no pro rider or anything, but I've played around enough to know a little.
Here's my issue. I started with cheap old burton twin that was too small. I wear 13s so I have to buy a wide board. I upgraded to a used 155 Burton Floater and C60bindings. Liked it. One year I got all new stuff and thought the most expensive would be the best. Atomic Mugshot a wideboard that was suppose to be park orrented. STIFF. Burton Ions-narrow and stiff. Burton P1-HD's, looked cool, but STIFF. I didn't ride much the past 2 years but when I did I hated my setup. Im going to ride a lot this year. Mainly Snowshoe, WV and local small Mtns. The small Mtns now have parks. The reality is all the places I ride a park board can serve as an all mountian board. I am only going to ride out west once this year.
Hows this sound: 157Burton Twin: Burton Cartels : Burton Hails (which my rep thinks he can get me in an 11 1\2. He said I was getting the 13 before to try and make up for the narrow fit.) Im not a Burton only guy, I just don't know of anyone that can offer a more flexable wide board. Plus my rep said if I don't like anything we'll try something else.
Any thoughts or suggestions would be great![/quote]
The twin is a pretty awesome park board. If you poke around you can find last years retro twin pretty cheap still (going for about 225 new on ebay). It should serve you all over the mountains that you are going to be riding on.
Have you ridden Cartels? I have a set and love them, but the high-back will take a few runs to get used to if you haven't ridden them before. Its WAY taller than most bindings, its what allows it to have enough flex in the park, but still kill it all over the mountain. I think that they are some of the best value bindings on the market personally.
Hails are a great boot, try them on and don't be afraid if they are tight at first, they will pack out a lot. Get them heat molded right off the bat to save some break in time. I ride Burton SL8's and wear a size 10, in the ions I could only pull of an 11. I may even get the SL9's this year and try to go to a 9.5. My normal shoe size is a 12.
As far as other park wide boards, the Rome Machine is the wide version of the Artifact. Awesome jib board, but you will hate life on any kicker over about 35 feet, its just too soft for those.
Atomic Alibi wide, I personally feel the Twin is a better board, but the Atomic is still a great one.
For more of an all mountain board, check into the Lib Tech Travis Rice 157, it has magnetraction which is awesome in ice which you have a ton of on the east coast. Its a great all around board that you can use just as easily in the park or all over the mountain. The Magnetraction really works, if you haven't seen it, the edges are actually kind of wavy and give you 7 contact points instead of 2. You could also look at the Lib Tech Dark Series wide which is a lot softer than the Travis Rice and wins a lot of awards. Magnetraction rules on ice though.
Its all preference on those boards though, I wouldn't try to steer you away from the Twin, its really a great board, the other ones mentioned are just some options to look at.
If you could scrunch down more, you could get into a Rome Agent which has a TON of pop, the 158 has a waist width of 25.5, might be pushing it, but if its park use only it won't really matter since you won't be carving.
I'm just babbling at this point though, the Twin is a great board, and tough to fault.
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