GTR wins One Lap of America
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To people who is making excuses...
Look, it is what it is. I don't care if it was luck or drivers error. The fact remains that this year, at this event, in this condition, GTR came out on top. Now can GTR do it next year? Who knows? Maybe, maybe not.
If you start making excuse for every crash or road conditions during the race, it will never end. (Everyone was under the same racing conditions.) Besides, it will not change the outcome of the race.
Look, it is what it is. I don't care if it was luck or drivers error. The fact remains that this year, at this event, in this condition, GTR came out on top. Now can GTR do it next year? Who knows? Maybe, maybe not.
If you start making excuse for every crash or road conditions during the race, it will never end. (Everyone was under the same racing conditions.) Besides, it will not change the outcome of the race.
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Okay, so we can say that Jim was unlucky, but that doesn't take anything away from Quin and his winning GTR. Remember that Quin was sharing the lead throughout the whole event. He didn't just come from the back of the field and stole the win because all the front runners had all crashed out.
Also remember that the GTR has beaten Richards in his GT2 in 2 Targa events prior to the Targa Tasmania. So this win isn't by any means a fluke.
Also remember that the GTR has beaten Richards in his GT2 in 2 Targa events prior to the Targa Tasmania. So this win isn't by any means a fluke.
You see Jim has lost to the R35 at 4 of the 5 tarmac rallies where he has come up against the R35.
He lost to the R35 at Quit Targa West, at Targa Wrest Point, at Rally Tasmania and now at Targa Tasmania 09. The only one of those rallies in which he DNF'd was Targa Tasmania 09. In all of the others he crossed the finish line.
The only time Jim has beaten an R35 was at the R35 GT-R's first ever targa, Targa Tasmania 08 and it was the R35 that DNF'd at that event. Maybe Alford was just "unlucky"????
Keep in mind that when we talk about Jim we are talking about a Targa Tasmania veteran that has won 8 out of the 18 Targa Tasmanias that have ever been held. We are talking about a Targa veteran that is driving a factory backed $AU450000 German Supercar.
I'm all out of excuses for him.
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For what it is worth -
I owned a 08 997 TT and drove it like it was stolen everyday. I never fell in love with it (if you know what I mean) so I sold it. My father in law is the GM at Lancaster Nissan in CA. I told him when the GT-R came in to call me so I could buy one. I was actually just talking out my *** as I had no intension of purchasing the car based on the 20k over window sticker everyone was asking. Long story short when "my GT-R" showed up they said come pick up your car so I made the drive down there with the intension of driving it around the block and then backing out of the deal.
I thought the car looked like a snow plow in the front but super sexy from the rear. The side profile was nice as well. When I got there naturally there was a huge crowd around the car. How often do you see a $80k car surrounded by a bunch of 20k econo boxes. I think the dealers deliberately keep the 350 and 370 Z's away from the GT-R and park them near the cheaper cars because they don't want customers to compare them side by side. Not that there is a comparo - but again.... I am getting off track
With the idea of driving wide open around the block to see what all the hype was I got them to take me out before paying (suckers
) So my father in law pulled out of the dealership and proceeded to drive me down the road at what felt like a smooth but not so fast ride - all this did was confirm what an over rated car the GT-R was. There "seemed" to be nothing to it. He pulled to the curb and said, "your turn".
In a ho hum manner I got out of the passenger side walked around the front as he walked around the back and got myself situated. Once familiar with the video game instrumentation I started my test drive. If you know the area Lancaster is in the middle of no where so open roads are a plenty. In auto mode crawling at perhaps 35mph I stood on the gas. I was totally taken back by what happened next. The car was smooth as silk and fast as sin. In fact, short of my ZR1 (which I did not own at the time) this is bar none the quickest car off the showroom floor I have ever purchased -
Yes I purchased the car!. How could I say no. it was worth every penny too. The GT-R will eat the 997TT everywhere for practical purposes.
Too all the Porsche guys with their panties riding high as you read this. Guys drive it before you make comments. It is that good.
Why buy a 997TT : Looks great, 4 times nicer interior and while not as quick side by side, the Porsche appears to launch from rest better. What I mean is the car is not violent when it takes off. It just thrusts you back in the seat and goes about its business. After 30mph it becomes apparent this really nice car can't hang with the GT-R anymore. The GT-R handles great and it is way more forgiving.
Why buy a GT-R ?? - Seats feel better, handles better, quicker and as fast or faster, more exclusive, way better shifting in manual mode, more room, more space.....
The list just goes on. I am just one man with one opinion so take it for what it is. The thought of selling my GT-R won't happen for a while - it is just that nice of a car. I do not profess to be an expert by any stretch of the imagination, I have however raced all my life and my family raced Indy cars for 45 years.
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I don't sell parts for this car or the Porsche - I have however owned both and driven them to the edge
I owned a 08 997 TT and drove it like it was stolen everyday. I never fell in love with it (if you know what I mean) so I sold it. My father in law is the GM at Lancaster Nissan in CA. I told him when the GT-R came in to call me so I could buy one. I was actually just talking out my *** as I had no intension of purchasing the car based on the 20k over window sticker everyone was asking. Long story short when "my GT-R" showed up they said come pick up your car so I made the drive down there with the intension of driving it around the block and then backing out of the deal.
I thought the car looked like a snow plow in the front but super sexy from the rear. The side profile was nice as well. When I got there naturally there was a huge crowd around the car. How often do you see a $80k car surrounded by a bunch of 20k econo boxes. I think the dealers deliberately keep the 350 and 370 Z's away from the GT-R and park them near the cheaper cars because they don't want customers to compare them side by side. Not that there is a comparo - but again.... I am getting off track
With the idea of driving wide open around the block to see what all the hype was I got them to take me out before paying (suckers
) So my father in law pulled out of the dealership and proceeded to drive me down the road at what felt like a smooth but not so fast ride - all this did was confirm what an over rated car the GT-R was. There "seemed" to be nothing to it. He pulled to the curb and said, "your turn". In a ho hum manner I got out of the passenger side walked around the front as he walked around the back and got myself situated. Once familiar with the video game instrumentation I started my test drive. If you know the area Lancaster is in the middle of no where so open roads are a plenty. In auto mode crawling at perhaps 35mph I stood on the gas. I was totally taken back by what happened next. The car was smooth as silk and fast as sin. In fact, short of my ZR1 (which I did not own at the time) this is bar none the quickest car off the showroom floor I have ever purchased -
Yes I purchased the car!. How could I say no. it was worth every penny too. The GT-R will eat the 997TT everywhere for practical purposes.
Too all the Porsche guys with their panties riding high as you read this. Guys drive it before you make comments. It is that good.
Why buy a 997TT : Looks great, 4 times nicer interior and while not as quick side by side, the Porsche appears to launch from rest better. What I mean is the car is not violent when it takes off. It just thrusts you back in the seat and goes about its business. After 30mph it becomes apparent this really nice car can't hang with the GT-R anymore. The GT-R handles great and it is way more forgiving.
Why buy a GT-R ?? - Seats feel better, handles better, quicker and as fast or faster, more exclusive, way better shifting in manual mode, more room, more space.....
The list just goes on. I am just one man with one opinion so take it for what it is. The thought of selling my GT-R won't happen for a while - it is just that nice of a car. I do not profess to be an expert by any stretch of the imagination, I have however raced all my life and my family raced Indy cars for 45 years.
www.granatellimotorsports.com
I don't sell parts for this car or the Porsche - I have however owned both and driven them to the edge
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I don't think it fell on deaf ears...
Good posts about GT-R's don't resonate well here.
I enjoyed his post, but by the time I read it, it was already off-topic.
Why can't people just get past that the two cars are great (regarding 997 and R35)?
They are that equal as peers that it comes down to preference, not ability. They are both amazingly versatile cars. One suits me more than the other.
Good posts about GT-R's don't resonate well here.
I enjoyed his post, but by the time I read it, it was already off-topic.
Why can't people just get past that the two cars are great (regarding 997 and R35)?
They are that equal as peers that it comes down to preference, not ability. They are both amazingly versatile cars. One suits me more than the other.
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It is a great car, however you have to be out of your mind to actually believe Nissan's PR B/S. This car IS NOT as fast around the Nurburgring as the freakin Enzo full stop. Fact is that NO stock standard Nissan R35 has gotten anywhere near close to the advertised time and in this regard I believe Porsche in that the car used by Nissan was a ringer.
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It is a great car, however you have to be out of your mind to actually believe Nissan's PR B/S. This car IS NOT as fast around the Nurburgring as the freakin Enzo full stop. Fact is that NO stock standard Nissan R35 has gotten anywhere near close to the advertised time and in this regard I believe Porsche in that the car used by Nissan was a ringer.
I'm not sure why this bothers you as much as it does. Perhaps I'll never understand. Who gives a sh*t?
Really.
Who?
Somebody else is driving a car that you will never drive around a track that you will never drive around in that car.
Why do you even care?
Were you planning on buying one, and then heard that Nissan said something? How does that change what the car does? How does that change how people enjoy, don't enjoy the car.
Where is the relevance of this tiring argument? What does it matter about anything with the car?
Nissan is taking great care of my car. Nothing has broken with over 1000 track miles, and dozens of launches. The resale value hasn't plummeted...
What is supposed to happen with this car?
GT-R owners can get mid-11's all day in this car, even if it is their first time ever down the strip... Not 12's, 13's whatever.
Where is the downside that you see?
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I've tired of this.
I'm not sure why this bothers you as much as it does. Perhaps I'll never understand. Who gives a sh*t?
Really.
Who?
Somebody else is driving a car that you will never drive around a track that you will never drive around in that car.
Why do you even care?
Were you planning on buying one, and then heard that Nissan said something? How does that change what the car does? How does that change how people enjoy, don't enjoy the car.
Where is the relevance of this tiring argument? What does it matter about anything with the car?
Nissan is taking great care of my car. Nothing has broken with over 1000 track miles, and dozens of launches. The resale value hasn't plummeted...
What is supposed to happen with this car?
GT-R owners can get mid-11's all day in this car, even if it is their first time ever down the strip... Not 12's, 13's whatever.
Where is the downside that you see?
I'm not sure why this bothers you as much as it does. Perhaps I'll never understand. Who gives a sh*t?
Really.
Who?
Somebody else is driving a car that you will never drive around a track that you will never drive around in that car.
Why do you even care?
Were you planning on buying one, and then heard that Nissan said something? How does that change what the car does? How does that change how people enjoy, don't enjoy the car.
Where is the relevance of this tiring argument? What does it matter about anything with the car?
Nissan is taking great care of my car. Nothing has broken with over 1000 track miles, and dozens of launches. The resale value hasn't plummeted...
What is supposed to happen with this car?
GT-R owners can get mid-11's all day in this car, even if it is their first time ever down the strip... Not 12's, 13's whatever.
Where is the downside that you see?
The argument of the ring times is more of a thorn in your back and other haters than anything else. Doesnt the whining get old on both sides. Thats why I say very little because its not such a big deal.
Like i have said before too what does it matter to you what nissan does or says since you will hate and never own, ride, or look at a GTR
Just Move On
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The argument of the ring times is more of a thorn in your back and other haters than anything else. Doesnt the whining get old on both sides. Thats why I say very little because its not such a big deal.
Like i have said before too what does it matter to you what nissan does or says since you will hate and never own, ride, or look at a GTR
Just Move On
The argument of the ring times is more of a thorn in your back and other haters than anything else. Doesnt the whining get old on both sides. Thats why I say very little because its not such a big deal.
Like i have said before too what does it matter to you what nissan does or says since you will hate and never own, ride, or look at a GTR
Just Move On
Well this thread (OLOA victory) is living proof that the GT-R does meet and exceed Nissan's claims. Similarly the GT-R's remarkable Targa success is also real living proof that the car is what they say it is. These results were not posted by Nissan but by real owners and competitors..
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The GT-R doesn't need a ring time to gain credibility. The eternal cry of all those who deeply resented the car was that the "real world" results will never live up to Nissan's claims.
Well this thread (OLOA victory) is living proof that the GT-R does meet and exceed Nissan's claims. Similarly the GT-R's remarkable Targa success is also real living proof that the car is what they say it is. These results were not posted by Nissan but by real owners and competitors..
Well this thread (OLOA victory) is living proof that the GT-R does meet and exceed Nissan's claims. Similarly the GT-R's remarkable Targa success is also real living proof that the car is what they say it is. These results were not posted by Nissan but by real owners and competitors..
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The GT-R doesn't need a ring time to gain credibility. The eternal cry of all those who deeply resented the car was that the "real world" results will never live up to Nissan's claims.
Well this thread (OLOA victory) is living proof that the GT-R does meet and exceed Nissan's claims. Similarly the GT-R's remarkable Targa success is also real living proof that the car is what they say it is. These results were not posted by Nissan but by real owners and competitors..
Well this thread (OLOA victory) is living proof that the GT-R does meet and exceed Nissan's claims. Similarly the GT-R's remarkable Targa success is also real living proof that the car is what they say it is. These results were not posted by Nissan but by real owners and competitors..
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I agree, there are alot of people who don't like the GTR, myself included. I think what rubs people the wrong way about the GTR, and the people that own them, is it seems that there are alot of comparisons of the GTR with cars that cost many times more. The focus is on speed, etc., but everyone knows there is more to the costly cars than speed alone. But statements are made, regardless, that for 80k, the GTR is "better". Come on, things are not as black/white as "this car is faster than that one, so it's better". I sense a real similarity in the sentiment of alot of Corvette/American muscle car people. "Yeah, we have a 60k car and it kicks *** on Ferrari's". I get the sense that people have spent years oogling cars that they can't afford, and finally there is a car with some performance that fits their pocketbook. Now they can really rub it in the face of all those "stupid" people who spent too much money on a car that is slower than a 60k Vette or an 80k GTR.
The Nissan GTR is not a cheap car. At 80k, it's a chunk of change. It's also not a slow car...it costs money to go fast. It also costs money to be reliable. It costs money to be made of fine materials. And it costs money to be made by fine craftsman. I remember a quote I saw in someone's sig here..."good, fast, cheap...you can only be 2, not all 3"; something like that. At 80k, I'm sure the GTR has a reason for that price...and one of them is speed. My question is that if it costs money to go fast, and the car is fast, what is left for everything else...build quality, materials, reliability? The truth is, you get exactly what you pay for. Life is full of examples of this. Is it really possible for an 80k car to be better than a 200k car? Is there anything else on this planet where this logic would be true? Is an 80k house better than a 200k house? How about watches? How about stereo equipment? Anything? Or just the GTR? Well, let's not forget the Vette.
Another thought that occurs to me as the GTR is compared to Porsche and other brands that have been around for more than 50 years, and all the while pilling up literally thousands of victories, is that alot more goes into proving a platform than having a few good races, and a couple victories, in one single year.
J
The Nissan GTR is not a cheap car. At 80k, it's a chunk of change. It's also not a slow car...it costs money to go fast. It also costs money to be reliable. It costs money to be made of fine materials. And it costs money to be made by fine craftsman. I remember a quote I saw in someone's sig here..."good, fast, cheap...you can only be 2, not all 3"; something like that. At 80k, I'm sure the GTR has a reason for that price...and one of them is speed. My question is that if it costs money to go fast, and the car is fast, what is left for everything else...build quality, materials, reliability? The truth is, you get exactly what you pay for. Life is full of examples of this. Is it really possible for an 80k car to be better than a 200k car? Is there anything else on this planet where this logic would be true? Is an 80k house better than a 200k house? How about watches? How about stereo equipment? Anything? Or just the GTR? Well, let's not forget the Vette.
Another thought that occurs to me as the GTR is compared to Porsche and other brands that have been around for more than 50 years, and all the while pilling up literally thousands of victories, is that alot more goes into proving a platform than having a few good races, and a couple victories, in one single year.
J
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Nissan has been around a while too... The old Skylines and Z's have plenty of trophies as well...
None of that crap matters to me either.
Koenigsegg hasn't been around but for three and half days, and they've built a hell of beast that could give Ferrari's best a run for its money.
GT-R's have hand assembled engines mated to hand assembled transmissions. I didn't get the point of mentioning the word 'craftsman', as if to say an engineer working for Porsche is a craftsman, and an engineer working for Nissan is a factory worker.
And the ZR1 would beat a Ferrari's a$$, but it is not as beautiful (my subjective opinion). And I agree it's not all about performance, there are so many other reasons I like the GT-R over other comparable cars.
None of that crap matters to me either.
Koenigsegg hasn't been around but for three and half days, and they've built a hell of beast that could give Ferrari's best a run for its money.
GT-R's have hand assembled engines mated to hand assembled transmissions. I didn't get the point of mentioning the word 'craftsman', as if to say an engineer working for Porsche is a craftsman, and an engineer working for Nissan is a factory worker.
And the ZR1 would beat a Ferrari's a$$, but it is not as beautiful (my subjective opinion). And I agree it's not all about performance, there are so many other reasons I like the GT-R over other comparable cars.