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Old Dec 12, 2015 | 10:24 PM
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Advanced question: Heel toe simulation

I have searched the forums but have not seen a description on how to simulate a heel to toe cornering experience with a PDK. I found one thread that said it wasn't possible and many that said it was unnecessary.

Have any experienced heel to toe cornering drivers simulated the experience with PDK and if so please let me know how?


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Old Dec 13, 2015 | 07:17 AM
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A lot of the techniques used in a manual transmission do not apply at all to a PDK car.

The entire point of heel-toe in a manual is to allow you to press the accelerator to bring the engine RPMs to match the gear you are downshifting into (rev matching) while you are simultaneously pressing on the brake pedal. This requires all 3 pedals to be depressed simultaneously. I could be wrong, but I believe that with PDK, all downshifts are already rev-matched by the computer.

That said, I have no idea what "heel toe cornering" is because in track driving, decelerating during a corner is usually a big no-no.
 
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Does the OP understand what Heel-toe is and when/why is it used???
 
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Originally Posted by ace10
Does the OP understand what Heel-toe is and when/why is it used???
I understand the general concept although I am a novice and trying to learn more from experienced minds. Maybe my terminology is incorrect? Specifically I am referring to heel to toe technique when making a 90° corner in controlled cornering where breaking will shift the weight of the car with the clutch depressed with toe on gas to maintain revs. When entering the corner releasing the brake and clutch.
 
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In my 2015 Panamera GTS, with Sport Plus ON, there is a very definite and aggressive rev-match on downshifts.

Heel-toe is completely unnecessary and, frankly, would be counterproductive if you could even do it. Impossible to be as precise or efficient as the computerized shift map.

Plus, you would impress no one.
 
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Originally Posted by DrPeter
I understand the general concept although I am a novice and trying to learn more from experienced minds. Maybe my terminology is incorrect? Specifically I am referring to heel to toe technique when making a 90° corner in controlled cornering where breaking will shift the weight of the car with the clutch depressed with toe on gas to maintain revs. When entering the corner releasing the brake and clutch.

Your braking is done in straight line, for the majority of instances, and certainly always for novice drivers. Heel-toe is simply a way to rev match and reduce any driveline shock (and the resulting instability).

You continue to mention turning and a depressed clutch... that doesn't happen.

Throttle until you hit your brake mark. Firm foot on brake, decell, clutch in, bang a downshift, continue braking until you hit your mark. Release the brake, Turn in.

Unless.

You are confusing Heel-toe with trail braking. Which is a technique typically introduced in the intermediate groups, and has nothing to do with the clutch.

I have been instructing for years. Novices should focus on the basics of track safety, basic car control and general track awareness.
 
Old Dec 13, 2015 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ace10

You continue to mention turning and a depressed clutch... that doesn't happen.

Throttle until you hit your brake mark. Firm foot on brake, decell, clutch in, bang a downshift, continue braking until you hit your mark. Release the brake, Turn in.

That is what I was trying to describe, Thank you ace.
 
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