Year: 2012
Make: McLaren
Model: MP4-12C
Price: $80000
Mileage: 10250
Color: Supernova Silver
Private or Dealer Listing: Private Listing
Location (State): MO
Transmission: Automatic
Drivetrain: Rear Wheel Drive

sold

 

You say you sat down with the owner to have a chat and get the full story and then you say you had Mclaren do a full inspection and they say "it did not appear" to take on water. Did he not tell you as the oner if it it did or did not and if so how much??? I would think if that happened to me I would be snapping pictures as well to document water levels knowing insurance adjusters would not be out until water levels were probably receded.

 

Ok to clear some things up in regards to why an adjuster would total a car besides being cast as not knowing what he is doing. When an estimator looks at a car they have to take into account salvage values and possible open damages. In flood regions its not the visible damages but the unknown damages that usually total a vehicle. How much is a Mclaren replacement engine? Add to this what was described as a wealthy owner with several vehicles.

You might accept a vehicle that has unknowns and cosmetic damages as a result of water intrusion but a paying policy holder doesn't have to. A vehicle has to be brought back to pre loss condition which means with components without corrosion. Yes, you might feel that this corrosion as little as it might seam is acceptable and normal wear but the policy holder didn't

You are most likely correct that the vehicle was submerged to a small degree and you rolled the dice and won but an insurance Co cant force a policy holder to do the same. In regards to the car after all these years I agree it is fine to go. Coming from an Insurance background I get insulted when I hear about these idiot adjusters who supposedly dont know what they are doing.

Nice car and great price for the buyer who can overlook the now non issue flood damages.

 

I definitely appreciate the information and certainly didn't mean to offend if I did. I said nothing negative in regard to the adjuster or his/her knowledge/abilities. I rather assumed the car would have been salvaged because of potential unknowns and possible liability. It's definitely something I've wondered about and I appreciate your experience and insight. I can only report what was told to me, what I personally experienced, and what McLaren reviewed and reported to me. That's it.

Understanding and agreeing with what you're saying, I simply cannot figure out how any adjuster would have come to a complete and educated assessment on the car without taking the vehicle to a McLaren repair center, of which there isn't one in KC, and I know for a fact they didn't send the car to Denver or Chicago. So, it's hard for me to make good sense of it. I dont want to make any assumptions though.

You're right, while I did a very thorough inspection prior to purchase, I still got lucky. It's been years and the car turned out to be a good one. Thank you for the well wishes.

 

I get all that. The car seems like a good deal but I was always told from another friend that does insurance that its the down the road issues when connectors start to corrode and things start going haywire. This can take years for corrosion to set in from what I understand. The engine looks clean but the frunk floor looks like it had a lot of muddy water in it. The under engine metal seems to have some corrosion starting as well. Guess its impossible to tell how high the water did or did not get at this point.

 

Nice looking car. The pic of the trunk w/ panels removed shows this was def a creek/brackish water, that's all sediment left over from when the water receded.

 

This is called a "constructive total loss" and is usually reserved for expensive speculative repairs and def water damage as problems can arise years down the road and if the insurance company elects to repair the vehicle they are then married to it forever and may spend much more than it was worth to make the business decision up front to total it. It may have been minimal damage.

 

While the information has been appreciated, we've gotten a bit off topic here. I'm not trying to piece together the in's and out's of the insurance industry, or the reasoning used in determining the fate on this car. I understand how forums chatter is and I'm not trying to incite you to light me on fire here, but that pursuit is as speculative and sports talk radio. This car was inspected and repaired by McLaren years ago. I think it's an easy argument to make that McLaren likely has more expertise on the car than any of us.

Comments like "a lot of muddy water" and "corrosion starting" are completely inaccurate and are akin to crapping on my thread. That dirt in the pan wiped off easily with a finger. It's clearly not mud, and it's clearly not caked on, so lets not imply it so. There is absolutely no corrosion. Further, the frunk pan is open to the elements on each side at the rear and will collect dust/dirt on ANY car and will never be spotless (not implying that the dirt pictured in the pan is simply dust). Please, if you have questions about the car then ask them and I'm happy to share any information. I said I want to be completely transparent and I meant it. If you're not interested, please refrain from negative comments or casting speculative doubt on the car.

I'm happy to discuss the car privately in more detail with any seriously interested buyers. Feel free to send me a PM with your contact information if you would like to discuss. Thank you all.

 

GL with the sale, it seems like a nice car. Don't take my comments ( I infer you're meaning me) negative, more informative, and I have many years in experience with this stuff. Saying cars all get dirt in the frunk is disingenuous at the least. Again, it's a nice car, I'm looking at these myself, just timing is not on my side. Someone will def be getting alot of car for a little $$$.

 

I have been looking at these as well and it caught my eye. I just do not this that is "dust". There is dirt on the second level up of the water bottle and the master brake cylinder has water at the top. Seems as it was pretty high up which would make sense for a total loss "flood" car. Guess we will never know to what extent the car was under water and thats the scary part for me.

 

Car is back up for sale. Winning bidder paid a deposit and then informed me that "something happened" and he will not be completing the purchase . . . here we go again.

 

For those that may be interested car is back up on ebay. Feel free to ask any questions, full transparency here. Also, dealers . . . please leave me alone.

Ebay item number 164688192209

 

SOLD. Admins please delete. Thanks very much.

 

Can’t delete a classified. Can close it if you wish.

 

Sure, that would be great. Thank you again for the help. Take care