I'm looking for a pad I can safely drive to the track with, enjoy a full day DE, and drive back home. I don't care if they are noisy. I've been recommended Pagid Orange but heard they chew up rotors. Someone else said to try the factory Green pads...expensive but easy on the rotors. Any thoughts or recommendations appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris

ps- sorry about the typo in the title! Pagin? I can't type!

 

Chris, the orange is the way to go. They are a great pad and are in fact very rotor friendly. They are so good on the street I stopped changing pads for track events. They are exactly what you asked for daily pad and awesome at the track.
The most important part however is to follow the pagid website to properly bed the pads in. If this is done correctly I have not even had a problem with squealing.
the pads are suprisingly quite. maybe an occasional noise but not enough to be changing pads over.

Not that you may not already know but I certainly would have your brake fluid at least flushed before the event and would consider changing fluid to a higher boiling point fluid like motul or Castrol SRF, really makes a difference at the track.

Good luck, have fun!!
tom

 

Thanks for the information. My DE is in mid-march. I'll let you know how it goes.

 

good luck Doc be safe and have fun!!

 

Here's another tip... If you want to maximize track performance with your pad, while still making them comfortable for the street, get the GT3 RS brake ducts. They run about $240 and snap in easily (repalce the stock ones). Looks to me about double the cooling. So, something like a Pagid Orange should do very well on the track with the extra cooling (it's what I'm putting on as soon as they arrive).

Orange + Ducts!

 

Thanks for feedback. I ended up ordering Pagid Yellows after talking to Craig at Rennstore. Since the pads will only be used to get to the track and back, noise is not a concern. He recommended the yellows over the oranges: they last longer, stop better, are more fade resistant and have similar rotor wear. He sounded like he knew what he was talking about as he has tracked for years and also gets feedback from all the customers who buy pads from him. I will let you guys know after this week! Also, will be using Motul.

ps- Ron, thanks for the brake duct tip. I already installed some Sportec ducts which should help. I'll post pics later this week.

 

Boy, that's curious... Craig suggested the Oranges over the Yellows to me, but perhaps that's because I run 90% street and 10% track, though I'm in the Black run group (meaning I push the car hard). Conclusion might be Orange with ducts when tracking a street car, Yellows if not a street car with or without ducts. I got the Motul 600 race with my order

 

You are probably right. Mine will be track 90% and street 10%. I initially contacted him to order a set of Oranges. He proceeded to ask me about the intended use of the pads. We spent more than 20 minutes talking. He convinced me to go Yellow and it wasn't that he didn't want me to use Orange, but felt strongly that I would be happier with the Yellows. I'll ask him.

 

Here is Craig's response. I got his permission to post it:

The thing matters most is the brakes on both of your cars are quite large, and can handle either the Pagid Oranges or the Yellows.
It is a matter of "What do you want from the pads?" - noise ok?, longer life, ultimate track performance, street behavior, etc.

YELLOWS are great for:
Ultimate track performance. I honestly believe that these are the very best track pads made for our Porsches.
(I use them on my 514 hp, 2650 lb Turbo.)
Used at LeMans, 24 hrs of Daytona - the same compound.
Can usually make noise on the street - at time very loud.
Pretty kind to rotors
First couple brake applications take a just tad more effort and length.
Last longer than the Oranges

ORANGES are great for:
Nice track performance.
Usually fairly quiet on the street - YMMV. But usually MUCH quieter than the Yellows!
Softer, organic (non-ceramic) compound.
Easy on rotors
Dust color is a grey, NOT the dark black stock dust
Great choise for street/track use
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It is all about matching the pad for your intended use and what you want......and can stand ;-)

Craig

So there's the answer from the brake pad man himself. I highly recommend him for not only his service but his prices. My track day is this Thursday...I'll post my impressions of the Yellows.

 

unless porsche has changed designations of the pads, the motorsport green pads are for pccb's track compound.

 

there are 2 diff pagid yellows well actually 3 if you consider the fact p-90 pads. from my experience the pagid yellow 29 or 19 are a good upfront and combo along with the pagid 14 the older P-90's in the rear.

 

Oak- Gee, thanks for confusing me more.

Well, since Craig has graciously responded to me thus far I figured I would press my luck and ask about these different yellow pads. Here is his reply (I feel like a messenger):

The factory pads are painted yellow and are called "The Comfort Pad". It is a fairly trackable compound, usually quiet on the street, but they don't have the long life and cannot take the hard use as an RS19 can Why? They are soft in to maintain that quietness and "one size fits all" OE mentality --- as well as being good for the street only use that non-track Porsche drivers insist upon.

People even prefer the Oranges to the factory pad due to the lighter colored dust - and they report a bit longer life and better feel than stock - no surprise, eh?

RS19s and RS29s are very, very, very, close in compound.
Some race teams report that the RS29s have too much initial bite, and two of my customers slightly prefer the RS19 over the RS29.
Consenus is that they are so close in compound that trying to find the RS29 is not worth the effort, and I do no carry them due to very low demand.

If one wishes more rear friction, the RS14 is sometimes used by experienced drivers - they are even higher friction than the RS19, but are not easy on the discs as the RS19s tend to be. Use this combination at your own risk as you are effectively changing the brake bias...

Craig
www.Rennstore.com

 

The bottom line is Craig is great both in knowledge and prices. He totally hooked me up with a set of RS19s for track + street. As noted previously and by Craig, referring to these pads by color is confusing. Sure, they squeek but the bite is amazing. Looking forward to my first track day with them at the end of month at Lime Rock.

Roadsterdoc: curious what the sportec ducts look like, any pics?

 

The car felt great on the track. Stopped like nobody's business. No fading at any point, no odors, no drama. A seasoned instructor rode with me at one point and commented on the car's awesome brakes. I haven't changed them back to stock yet and the noise is far less on the street than I feared. It seems to come and go actually. So, I highly recommend the Pagid Yellows as my short experience has been fantastic. BTW, I'm also using Motul 600.

Here's an arial shot of MSR Houston:

 

sms- Here are pics of the Sportec brake ducts. The 3' diameter ducting goes directly through to the fron inner fender liner: