Brembo vs Stoptech
#16
04-03-2008, 10:43 PM
AP is totally seperate from Brembo.... just a heads up
http://www.brembo.com/Brembo/Templat...=NoModifyGuest
2000
At the beginning of the year 2000, Brembo concluded some important takeovers and agreements, extending its borders even further.
In Brazil, it took over the company Alfa Real Minas for car brake disc machining and motor flywheel assembly for O.E.
Brembo clinched a Joint Venture in South Africa with a ZF Group company Lemförder and the South-African company Autoindustrial. This Johannesburg-based Joint Venture controls a cast iron foundry manufacturing brake discs, a plant for hot pressing steel uprights and hubs, and a plant for component machining and assembly. Brembo then took over the UK-based company AP Racing Limited, which is specialized in manufacturing brake and clutch systems for racing, the upgrades aftermarket and O.E. brake and clutch systems for high performance sports cars. In the aim to develop in the field of motorcycles, Brembo acquired 70% of the company Marchesini, which specializes in magnesium wheels for racing motorcycles. Brembo then signed an agreement with the Swedish group SKF, for the development of Brake-by-Wire systems, which are destined for the high performance car market and replace the hydraulic ones currently in use. The latest Joint Venture was signed in China with Yuejin Motor Group, forming the company Nanjing Yuejin Automotive Brake System for the manufacture of braking systems for cars and light trucks.
Brembo had approx. 2,800 employees in the year 2000, with a turnover of 887 billion lire.
At the beginning of the year 2000, Brembo concluded some important takeovers and agreements, extending its borders even further.
In Brazil, it took over the company Alfa Real Minas for car brake disc machining and motor flywheel assembly for O.E.
Brembo clinched a Joint Venture in South Africa with a ZF Group company Lemförder and the South-African company Autoindustrial. This Johannesburg-based Joint Venture controls a cast iron foundry manufacturing brake discs, a plant for hot pressing steel uprights and hubs, and a plant for component machining and assembly. Brembo then took over the UK-based company AP Racing Limited, which is specialized in manufacturing brake and clutch systems for racing, the upgrades aftermarket and O.E. brake and clutch systems for high performance sports cars. In the aim to develop in the field of motorcycles, Brembo acquired 70% of the company Marchesini, which specializes in magnesium wheels for racing motorcycles. Brembo then signed an agreement with the Swedish group SKF, for the development of Brake-by-Wire systems, which are destined for the high performance car market and replace the hydraulic ones currently in use. The latest Joint Venture was signed in China with Yuejin Motor Group, forming the company Nanjing Yuejin Automotive Brake System for the manufacture of braking systems for cars and light trucks.
Brembo had approx. 2,800 employees in the year 2000, with a turnover of 887 billion lire.
#17
04-03-2008, 11:29 PM
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to answer your original question the biggest differenve between StopTech and Brembos or AP, etc is that Stop Tech custom designs their kits to be installed on street cars with the OE brake system, so the calipers are made to match the master cyclinder size, etc...and the pistons have dust seals on them for street use.
Brembo, Alcon, AP, etc are generic calipers designed for race applications. They are made to be used in custom designed braking systems that are speced out with other components by race engineers that understand how they work together as a system, considering tires, suspension, weight, tracks, drivers, etc... They are also designed to be inpsected and maintained regularly.
There are many reasons why your current braking system may not be "up to par". Caliper design is probably the last one...depending on your use, a good set of pads and rotors, some steel brake lines and decent fluid should be more than enough for street and light track use. If its a dedicated, highly modified track car then maybe a larger swept area and fixed caliper are appropriate...if propperly matced with other components. Otherwise its a lot of expense and bling that may or may not improve actual braking.
There is no reason why AP is better than Brembo or Alcon in the abstract...they are all top quality brakes. Race teams choose between them by whomever is cutting the best deal for them, not out of some measure of superiority. And, whats best on the track is not always best on your street ride...
Brembo, Alcon, AP, etc are generic calipers designed for race applications. They are made to be used in custom designed braking systems that are speced out with other components by race engineers that understand how they work together as a system, considering tires, suspension, weight, tracks, drivers, etc... They are also designed to be inpsected and maintained regularly.
There are many reasons why your current braking system may not be "up to par". Caliper design is probably the last one...depending on your use, a good set of pads and rotors, some steel brake lines and decent fluid should be more than enough for street and light track use. If its a dedicated, highly modified track car then maybe a larger swept area and fixed caliper are appropriate...if propperly matced with other components. Otherwise its a lot of expense and bling that may or may not improve actual braking.
There is no reason why AP is better than Brembo or Alcon in the abstract...they are all top quality brakes. Race teams choose between them by whomever is cutting the best deal for them, not out of some measure of superiority. And, whats best on the track is not always best on your street ride...
#20
04-11-2008, 03:36 PM
Gewow... sorry, to elaborate on my statement that AP and Brembo are seperate... true they are both financially backed by Brembo, but manufacturing factories, marketing, engineering are seperate.
An example would be like McDonalds and Chipotle...
Not that its a big deal, just wanted to clarify. =0)
Thanks
An example would be like McDonalds and Chipotle...
Not that its a big deal, just wanted to clarify. =0)
Thanks
#23
06-17-2008, 09:09 PM
I have had Brembo (OE and GT), Stop Tech, Alcon, AP and Rotora on cars over the last 10 years. Some on the street and some on the track. I think that they all work pretty well in a street application.
I would recommend looking at the local grassroots racers in BMW street cars that are modified to race. See what they are using. You cannot look at what professional level racers use as they are typically not using the same chassis (at least at the same weight or with the same suspension geometry) and they are often more driven by the deal they are given via sponsorship then they are by the overall performance.
If you are doing this for street, just get some 15" rotors and 6 or 8 pistons calipers. If it is also for the track, I would recommend using the smallest rotor and lightest caliper you can find. On the BMW chassis, upgrading from the silly OE caliper is a huge gain. You want to further gain by not adding any rolling mass that you do not need.
I realize these two things are in combat with each other, but you will have to decide which way to compromise.
For what it is worth, and it may be very little as you do not know me and I am new here, I felt very little difference in performance between all the brands, so I would purchase something that is priced less. Eliminate the ego aspect of Brembo, AP or Alcon - if you can get the same performance for less money, that allows you to do more mods, buy a nice watch or go to the track (you get the picture).
Also, in the BMW's I have driven, some kits have a very long throw with the pedal before the brakes grab as compared to stock. You may want to talk to a BMW specialist that can address these specific concerns with this specific chassis.
Where are you located?
I would recommend looking at the local grassroots racers in BMW street cars that are modified to race. See what they are using. You cannot look at what professional level racers use as they are typically not using the same chassis (at least at the same weight or with the same suspension geometry) and they are often more driven by the deal they are given via sponsorship then they are by the overall performance.
If you are doing this for street, just get some 15" rotors and 6 or 8 pistons calipers. If it is also for the track, I would recommend using the smallest rotor and lightest caliper you can find. On the BMW chassis, upgrading from the silly OE caliper is a huge gain. You want to further gain by not adding any rolling mass that you do not need.
I realize these two things are in combat with each other, but you will have to decide which way to compromise.
For what it is worth, and it may be very little as you do not know me and I am new here, I felt very little difference in performance between all the brands, so I would purchase something that is priced less. Eliminate the ego aspect of Brembo, AP or Alcon - if you can get the same performance for less money, that allows you to do more mods, buy a nice watch or go to the track (you get the picture).
Also, in the BMW's I have driven, some kits have a very long throw with the pedal before the brakes grab as compared to stock. You may want to talk to a BMW specialist that can address these specific concerns with this specific chassis.
Where are you located?
#25
06-20-2008, 08:45 PM
Active Autowerke used Brembo for Taza M3 1000 hp car and TK Turbo M3 with great result. Brembo or bust. May I add they been in business for 27 years, Youth and talent shall never overcome wisdom and understanding.
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