Car and Driver C2 vs M4
#76
07-20-2014, 07:39 PM
Perhaps it is the driver? You are using some editor as your wholly Grail. I guarantee you won't catch me in a cayman, no chance. I'm certainly not the best out there, far from it, but if you have the ***** you can get into and out of a corner very well in a 911. The M is way to heavy although well balanced and now finally has some torque but it us not nearly as agile as a base 911 in the right hands.
#77
07-20-2014, 07:48 PM
You don't care about cornering? Why did you buy a Porsche? Is it just a luxury car to you? Something to park in front of the local coffee shop? You might not care about the ring, but Porsche does. It's the proving ground for most all performance cars, especially Germany ones. Your car was set up and fine tuned there, and it wouldn't be the same car without the ring to bring out issues to resolve. Some of you guys need to open your brains a little more and realize there are always other perspectives which although might rub your enthusiasm and pride a little wrong, are worthy of consideration.
Actually, it is a luxury DD for me and for many others aswell. I bought my 04 Porsches because as I said before, I wouldnt daily drive ANY other car with the same pride and joy. I rather drive my 991 than my E63 all day.
I love to go to the mall, the coffee shop or to the club in my 911, tracking my US$270,000 car and driving like an idiot on public roads is not an option, so cornering and Nurburgring lap times really means squat to me
#78
07-20-2014, 08:20 PM
Actually, it is a luxury DD for me and for many others aswell. I bought my 04 Porsches because as I said before, I wouldnt daily drive ANY other car with the same pride and joy. I rather drive my 991 than my E63 all day.
I love to go to the mall, the coffee shop or to the club in my 911, tracking my US$270,000 car and driving like an idiot on public roads is not an option, so cornering and Nurburgring lap times really means squat to me
I love to go to the mall, the coffee shop or to the club in my 911, tracking my US$270,000 car and driving like an idiot on public roads is not an option, so cornering and Nurburgring lap times really means squat to me
#79
07-21-2014, 01:09 AM
nuff said
Actually I am owning both. The 981 is very nimble but the 991 gives me more confidence when I push it but I also like the top down experience in my boxster S
I also went to Porsche track days a couple times driving 981 cayman s, 981 boxster s, and 991. 991 feels more stable and gave me bigger confidence on track and I didn't feel the 981 turn in is more superior than 991.
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07-21-2014, 02:02 PM
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To be honest if the choice is a fully loaded M4 or a base 991, I'm going for the M4 any day of the week. If the choice is a fully loaded M4 or a lightly optioned 991S, I'm taking the 991S.
Also, yes the 991 won all the subjective chassis points, but it got slaughtered in the acceleration. Sure the M4 won 0-60 time buy just .3 sec. but the 991 got slaughtered in the 1/4 mile, I mean look at the trap speed of the M4 @119mph. That is getting up there...
I am impressed though on how quick the non S 991 is.
Dave
Also, yes the 991 won all the subjective chassis points, but it got slaughtered in the acceleration. Sure the M4 won 0-60 time buy just .3 sec. but the 991 got slaughtered in the 1/4 mile, I mean look at the trap speed of the M4 @119mph. That is getting up there...
I am impressed though on how quick the non S 991 is.
Dave
#82
07-21-2014, 03:43 PM
To be honest if the choice is a fully loaded M4 or a base 991, I'm going for the M4 any day of the week. If the choice is a fully loaded M4 or a lightly optioned 991S, I'm taking the 991S.
Also, yes the 991 won all the subjective chassis points, but it got slaughtered in the acceleration. Sure the M4 won 0-60 time buy just .3 sec. but the 991 got slaughtered in the 1/4 mile, I mean look at the trap speed of the M4 @119mph. That is getting up there...
I am impressed though on how quick the non S 991 is.
Dave
Also, yes the 991 won all the subjective chassis points, but it got slaughtered in the acceleration. Sure the M4 won 0-60 time buy just .3 sec. but the 991 got slaughtered in the 1/4 mile, I mean look at the trap speed of the M4 @119mph. That is getting up there...
I am impressed though on how quick the non S 991 is.
Dave
#83
07-23-2014, 03:01 AM
You explain why the base 991 with 350 hp and the same motor as the 981 S (Boxster and Cayman) albeit detuned with 315 and 325 hp respectively, and same brakes, is considerably slower around the only race course in the world where these cars are engineered and perfected.
#84
07-23-2014, 03:06 AM
I suggest you take a look at the vids Dag posted ! And then tell me again if the 991 C2 is so slow on the ring.
#86
07-23-2014, 03:11 AM
NFW can a 991 base lap that quickly. That's Audi R8 V10 and Porsche 997 Turbo S territory. Both those cars produce over 500 hp. The official base 991 lap time is 8:02. Until there's another professional effort, it stands. Most likely it's there to stay. 7 seconds slower than the Cayman S. What's not to believe about that? The Cayman charges into corners. I'm hoping the Cayman GTS clocks at least a 7:50, which is on par with a 997S.
#87
04-25-2016, 08:27 AM
Updates to a long ago dead thread? About to go have some fun driving both....friend just picked up a 6MT M4, and I am helping another friend car shop for a 991. She was also possibly leaning M4, and so we are getting that car for the afternoon to test against the dealer's 991. He borrows my truck all time, so I don't feel to bad flogging the M for the afternoon....
#89
04-26-2016, 01:47 PM
Updates to a long ago dead thread? About to go have some fun driving both....friend just picked up a 6MT M4, and I am helping another friend car shop for a 991. She was also possibly leaning M4, and so we are getting that car for the afternoon to test against the dealer's 991. He borrows my truck all time, so I don't feel to bad flogging the M for the afternoon....
Two very, very different cars IMO. Unlike dds007, I don't own both. But, like dds007, I have extensive seat time in an M4 since one of my closest friends owns one. Apart from pricing, I think a test drive will make it immediately apparent which car a person prefers.
I experience the same thing every time I drive my GTS and the M4 back to back:
- I get out of my GTS and into the M4. M4 steering feels lighter, wheel is too chunky, and the shifter is great, but not as great as the 991. The car is pretty comfortable, and performance is *****-out amazing in lower to mid RPMs because of torque.
- I get back into my GTS and feel like I'm driving a proper sports car. Don't read into this; I literally mean that my 911 feels heavier (steering), more analog, more precise, and smaller/tighter.
Very different experiences IMO.
#90
04-27-2016, 02:41 AM
Dead thread revival! Two very, very different cars IMO. Unlike dds007, I don't own both. But, like dds007, I have extensive seat time in an M4 since one of my closest friends owns one. Apart from pricing, I think a test drive will make it immediately apparent which car a person prefers. I experience the same thing every time I drive my GTS and the M4 back to back: - I get out of my GTS and into the M4. M4 steering feels lighter, wheel is too chunky, and the shifter is great, but not as great as the 991. The car is pretty comfortable, and performance is *****-out amazing in lower to mid RPMs because of torque. - I get back into my GTS and feel like I'm driving a proper sports car. Don't read into this; I literally mean that my 911 feels heavier (steering), more analog, more precise, and smaller/tighter. Very different experiences IMO.
Two very, very different cars IMO. Unlike dds007, I don't own both. But, like dds007, I have extensive seat time in an M4 since one of my closest friends owns one. Apart from pricing, I think a test drive will make it immediately apparent which car a person prefers. I experience the same thing every time I drive my GTS and the M4 back to back: - I get out of my GTS and into the M4. M4 steering feels lighter, wheel is too chunky, and the shifter is great, but not as great as the 991. The car is pretty comfortable, and performance is *****-out amazing in lower to mid RPMs because of torque. - I get back into my GTS and feel like I'm driving a proper sports car. Don't read into this; I literally mean that my 911 feels heavier (steering), more analog, more precise, and smaller/tighter. Very different experiences IMO.Also, I do not have a lot of seat time in both. I don't track either car. My wife dailys the m4...I drive it time to time to the car wash....or whenever the mood strikes...that being said, back to back, the m4 feels like a luxury car trying to be a sport car...and the 991 feels like a sport car, trying to be a luxury car. Both do a pretty good job at it too..but I agree it's apples to oranges not apples to apples.
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