Its kind of hard to play with my cars when I'm in Toronto, not far from you. Truth be told I'm not big on street racing. However, Im taking both cars up to Monterey for the Concorse De Elegance weekend. I plan on strapping a couple of Go Pros on each see how they compare. That will be the 18th of August weekend.

 

Ok I guess that is acceptable for now, We will hold off your ban until Aug 18th then....lol!

On a serious note, I can't wait to see how they stack up against each other!

 

I have a 9/13 build 991tts, it's a launch car. I got it with 3000 miles and did this about a week after I got it. I haven't run a 1/2 with it since I put all the mods on but I think it would do 158 by now.

 

I have simple idea, how about this....


How about running these cars at a real track (1/4 mile and/or 1/2 mile) to get some real results vs. relying on some Vbox?


I get it, the Vbox is a nice little toy, but the track(s) is more accurate.


Lots of guys love playing with their beloved Vbox, many of them use those results to gauge average performance while others use it as their performance holy-grail.


The above message is geared mainly towards those who like going out early in the AM or when air conditions are very favorable under the flattest road surface possible to test their cars with the Vbox, then using that data to pitch performance results to the world.


FYI, I seen folks go far slower vs. what the vbox showed and I have also seen guys go a little faster vs. what the vbox showed. However, most of them traveled slower at the track or at events vs. what their previous beloved vbox data showed. That is why I tell them and now some of you guys who are reading this, if possible: Go To The Track! And let that be your true guide.


I'm just sayin'


Thanks,
E-Gear

 

Got it you are massive dick. Some of us have busy lives and live no where near an actual dragstrip . Posting same location same DA( not -2000 glory runs) data on a zero slope road with real world conditions vs other cars and the same car before and after mods in the same location is far from useless and is all some us can do because of where we live. Actually its a **** ton more useful than what most have done. FYI your right my M6 ET'd a bit quicker at the dragstrip than it did by vbox at my test location. Sharing information is always useful , being condescending is not.

 

The vBox didn't become the holy grail because all the auto magazines have been using it for years to calculate and publish performance stats...or because websites like this only accept a vBox file to validate 60-130 runs...it became the holy grail when manufacturers and race teams started using it and uploading their files to Robert's vboxverify.com website. See the vBox uses GPS and if you have the inclination, you can see exactly where the runs are coming from...and they are coming from the private testing grounds where the general public does not have access.

Some people like me who enjoy testing on the vBox live pretty far from a drag strip (400+ mile round trip to drag and airstrip). Nonetheless most of my posts on accel runs are from drag or airstrip events because I like to compare to others in similar conditions. But it's ok for others who don't get the chance to travel to these events as long as they also post the actual verified graph and come clean on the weather conditions/DA.

By using the vBox, I have found that most all drag strips run downhill. The exception is Fontana which runs uphill. So as long as people's vBox is no more negative than say -0.7, it's generally representative of the slope that you will find at a drag strip/airstrip. The drag strip has the traction advantage, but generally you are running in the day time after staging and heating the car up. Same with the airstrip. Those reasons are generally why times are slower in those conditions vs running near your house in the early AM. But as long as people post what they did and where and the conditions present, we can understand and reconcile.

 

LOL! I got slammed here for reporting a track result substantially faster than Vbox on trap speed. You can search the threads. I find Vbox to be good with ET but usually low on trap speed by 2-3mph. All of my traps are higher from SAR or Ennis than with Vbox although the ET's and 60ft times are fairly close.

GMD2003 is lucky to have a really good road with zero slope at low altitude he can run his cars on and I see no problem with his data. I know him from the M board when he had a F10 M6. The road I used for that 1/2 mile I posted is about 150 miles away from my home, I have no where else to run a 1/2 mile so Vbox is it for me on the 1/2 mile. I do tend to agree with you about the accuracy of the tracks though. Seems to me their measurements are simpler and at least with a drag strip like Ennis or SAR you can feel fairly sure they have their equipment calibrated properly.

 

I anticipated the Vbox lovers/geeks to pounce on me - it's all good; I don't care.


Vbox is a good tool, heck, I used to own one and sold it with my E60 M5 back in the day.


Whenever IF ever, for real results: go to the track...period. Not only that, you'll become a better driver with practice


Believe me muchachos, I know going to the track is not always as feasible. Many magazines use Vbox because let's face it - it is easier and much cheaper vs renting a real track for true testing results and so on.


Hey...if Vbox turns you on, then cool, more power to ya. I like the tool; it's okay, but I don't fully rely on it.


Thanks,
E-Gear

 

Let's just say it's the next best thing to a day at the track...I have a vbox sport and it's a great testing tool..it provides some level of data collection and fun at running your own created race course or just simply gleaning tweaking results..

 

I agree, it is a great tool.


I think some folks have to remember that it is just a tool and NOT a true[100%] barometer of performance. Meaning, if Vbox says I ran 180mph in a 1/2 mile, or 10.20@135 in the 1/4 mile, personally I would not run out and blast it to the world that my car ran this or that because Vbox said so. I would take my Vbox info/results and match it to my actual track results (1/2 mile & 1/4 mile) THEN....


I know this is not a direct comparison, but similar assessments are often made when some folks rely on dyno numbers to determine what their car track performance will be. I often tell those folks the same thing - "just because the dyno says 800AWD power or 900RWHP, it does not mean you will run this or that ET or MPH in the 1/4 mile or .5 mile or 1 mile". You will have to actually run it at those tracks and verified...often having to further tweak your set up while there to really make it perform at its best.


I hope this clears that air....I am not a jerk or a sour puss looking to rain on folks parades...I am just telling it like it is on the real...no sugar coating it.


Thanks,
E-Gear

 

I totally agree 😀

 

What were tuned TTS's trapping?

 

Of your asking about the Indiana event, I was the only tuned TTS there. My best run was 175.6 mph.

Jeff

 

I was wondering how a GIAC Stage 2 or similar car to mine trapped at that event. Also, was there a 488 there?

 

Something to consider that is a Huracan RWD 580hp not a LP610-4 AWD. I think the 610 might be a little faster.