Amazing results again! Congratz on the strong runs.
This platform is a real beast

 

Yup, we pretty much had the same train of thought but we were conflicted because of the mph slips I have in hand. Hence trying to dig a bit deeper and see if there were any other anomalies from the same day.

But I agree, any 165-167 mph pass is still pretty incredible really and at least brings the car and myself back down to earth.

I will say though that almost nothing can touch the car in that type of setting. It took something with really long legs and a lot of power (like a modded 'Busa) or flat out a ton of HP (Alpha 10 GTR in particular) to beat it.

 

I wonder once a tune and turbo upgrade is available for the .2s if an alpha 10 will be able to catch the car from a dig in the half mile.

Did you beat the Alpha 10 to the quarter?

 

I dont mean to be contrary but given we literally have no idea the distance run there is no way to extrapolate the actual half mile trap in this case lol. Thus the importance of the vbox for these events , otherwise its just an opportunity for head to head roll and dig races with other cars at that event assuming everyone starts at the official start line . Thats cool but the number is not comparable to other events or vbox data if the distance isn't consistent and its just for fun. I certainly applaud you for driving out and doing over 20 runs in a new car right after the mods and trying to acquire good data( Admitting on the starting position issue was good as well)! Driving it as intended is way more than most owners ever do!

 

Awesome work out there buddy! As you were sending the slips I was playing with the kids and the smile on my face kept getting bigger and bigger LOL! Totally agree we were super shocked and it made us scratch our heads. Tony, who runs Omega is a super nice guy and was available to discuss. It's about 315 feet from the end of the runway to the starting cone. Then obviously from there to the end it's exactly .5 mile. They do mention these details at the beginning of every drivers meeting but Uri probably just missed that. And I've never been to an Omega event so simple mistake. Anyhow, after speaking with Tony and sort of mulling over so many cars at so many different events he was able to extrapolate a basic idea. Actually we use Longborders car is a good example. About 4-5 miles an hour difference I believe with his car which is pretty strong with tuning and methanol. I'm sure Adam can get in on this as well because he's been to so many of these events.

Anyhow I've been nothing but surprised by these cars in stock form but also very proud of my team and what we've been able to see them do with our By Design/Kline exhaust packages and then the Stage III hardware. Both in the quarter mile and a half mile the quickest cars I've seen so far have had our packages on them. We've tested and dyno'd as well and I'm super excited to see what happens when tuning is out very very soon. I can now comfortably say the recipe really really works even on its own as light, high performance and efficient hardware solutions.

Thanks for the faith all of you who chose us and of course you Uri! I could almost guarantee this car will run around 165 at shift sector in comparison. Maybe even quicker. The next fastest had our full Onconel exhaust system only and Mike ran 163.7 there as a comparison. .1 By Design Stage 3 cars run between 163 and 165 if I remember correctly. 167 with methanol. So far every step of the way the .2's advantages in technology and turbo charger size seem to be making up for tuning at a similar level. Again can't wait to see what happens when we really open these things up!

*By the way don't feel bad about the Vbox thing my friend it happens all the time. I might swap you to the Sport and see how that is in situations when your computer is not around. I get mixed reviews and the one you have is the classic most like. I think I'm liking the sport more maybe others can chime in?

 

Every racing organization is different. Slipsteam for its Pennsylvania airport half mile, has a starting line with the drag lights and precisely measures the half mile, quarter mile, 60 foot, etc.

 

Hell no.

 

Hi Sam,

This is a fantastic mph no doubt for that set up. Air was great yesterday from what I understand (I wasn't there just what I heard) and that helped a bit and of course it's typically over 3,000 feet from the back to the finish line. Tony told me all his events are 400 feet to the first cones. Maybe he did 315 in AZ as you mention. When I compare vbox to NFZ trap speeds I have seen up to a 9mph variance. Typically the variance is 6mph. For reference on the last NFZ event with my 997.2 on a 2,500 DA day with a mild headwind my 997.2 did a 172.4mph. On that run my vBox was 165mph. Two weeks before that with similar DA I did a best of 167.44 at Shift Sector (a true half mile).

I think the R1 motorsport 991.2 was doing 160-161 mph at Shift Sector. It was flying. I'm speculating but pretty confident that Uri's car yesterday was faster. Probably in the 163 range maybe even a 164. Again the air was better but also maybe the exhaust is flowing better than the exhaust R1 is using. Sounds like a nice set up.

Congrats.

 

Hey Adam! Yeah that's the thinking we had going. Some variables like conditions and the HP/weight/traction difference between your two particular cars so we estimated 4-5 mph. Yeah that day Mike was a steady few mph over Jimmy with exhaust too. I am willing to bet we see 165+. Crazy these things!

Cheers Scott. Things are much cooler around here especially after the fake slip drama. I admit to being a little sensitive but only after so much hard work and dedication. It was hard to weed the drama form proper sharing and to not take things personally. I have been used to my reputation balancing that out on the other platforms. Now after lots of work I have the luxury of something to stand on with the 991's as well. Unfortunately there have been some bad seeds trying to get to us it seams. Did you guys notice no new members or "randoms" chimed in when we even beat the fake slip lol.

 

What's amazing is a stock .1 does about 152 to 153ish mph in the half mile how in the hell does only 20 hp add up to 7 to 8 mph in the half mile, – Crank horsepower

 

That's precisely my point every event is set up differently so it's hard to compare outside of that event . None the less it seems the .2 is quite a bit faster in the 1/2 mile than the .1 based off what data we have at this point. My car doing 159-160 vbox zero slope in neutral DA with just a Kline exhaust certainly tracks with a intake/ exhaust /intercoolers/manifold set up doing 163 and maybe better given excellent conditions. Time and more data will tell ! As far as the classic vs vbox sport , I like the sport . Its 20hz, so more accurate and with the app on your phone you can get data immediately for each run and have everything in the memory card for later to run through vbox verify .

 

Perhaps the new antilag is playing a role too?

Let me just spitball a number to see if this could make any sense: say we have a benefit of (half of a 200whp difference from zero to full boost)*(0.5s to spool up from zero to full boost pressure)*(4 shifts) and then spread that benefit out over 10 seconds. That set of numbers would be an effective 20whp.

Those numbers are probably not at all accurate but the antilag could be significant.

 

Always make the drivers meeting! haha. Glad you had some fun tho. 26 runs with a 140 vehicle lineup isn't too shabby... and you didn't even make the most passes! haha. Glad i could accommodate your fun for the day, brother!

As I always mention at the drivers meetings, for all my events, the true measured halfmile is "cone to cone", as I say (cones placed on runway to designate start and end of measured half). 2640 ft, from cone to cone. I reiterate that to anyone in the 4-digit range also that I know is aiming for a potential setup record or something. The UGR and Dallas performance cars, and big Alpha cars, I always make sure to tell them again. The Fowlers all run cone to cone in their UGR squads specifically for those reasons. I even state that runs from the back of the runway are not easily comparable to other events, and should be listed as rolling halfmile, or a roll thru halfmile.

To touch on "WHY" I do that... I dunno, but Its how I started it. In my mind when I started my "roll races", a rolling halfmile race should not utilize part of the 2640ft as the rolling speed distance. I guess in 4 years, it's just stuck. Even with a 6500ft runway at our Midwest event, I do the same. But at each location, there's a measured, true halfmile. Cone to cone, in which the end cones are where the end of the speed trap is.

Hope that info helps.
-Tony

 

Thanks a ton!

 

Tony, always get in twice as many runs at your events than anywhere else. I wish my car was ready for Arizona oh well, got my motor back and its going in the car now, so will be ready for your next event, I Am also installing on Procharger on my Camaro and Ill bring that out as well. Thanks for doing what you do and giving us speed freaks a place to run.

Cheers Mark