Escort lost my business when they didn't update the software for their laser shifters for nearly two years. For all I know, they haven't updated them even after I switched to ALP shifters. If you aren't going to update software for new guns or to improve performance against existing guns, what good is the shifter. Sorry, Escort. You are waaaaaaaaay behind on laser countermeasures and need to demonstrate a commitment to updating software before I would ever use your shifters again.

Unless this new Escort radar allows you to use ALP diffusers, don't bother.

 

Agree with you on the laser. However the Net Radar with the ALP is ****. So you have to get a standalone radar and Escort does that better than ALP.

 

I don't want to jinx it but I have definitely been targeted by laser and was at 40 in a 30 limit and didn't even slow down, no ticket. 9500ci

My biggest complaint is the false K band alerts due to collision warning systems. I am thinking of getting a 360max and then in my next car, the equivalent built in.

 

I have the Max II, which I purchased right before the launch of the Max 360. It has been great, and the TSR software works well to eliminate false alarms due to collision warning systems.

 

It is very rare they would ticket someone for 40 in a 30 so I don't think it means anything. You know if you're really jamming successfully if you are doing 15-20 over. Also did you see the look on the guys face? You shouldn't jam all the way but if you do they typically look perplexed and start fiddling with the buttons on the gun.

 

He was well hidden, he was behind a curve so I had no chance to react which might have saved me, I stayed constant speed then slowed to enter a parking lot. The car alerted, then shifted as I went by. My wife just got a ticket for 40 in a 30 so I know they will do it. She was going up a hill and accelerated and he was just behind the crest. If the speed limit is 30 they will usually give you a 10 over ticket but not often when the limit is 70. I have been pulled over for doing 74 in a 70 on the way to a bowling tournament out in West Texas. I was in a Lexus LS430 and we had like 20 ***** in the trunk so it probably looked like we were carrying drugs. The cop wanted to know where we were going. When I explained, he laughed and said OK, just watch your speed. He actually crossed the median to come after us.

On that laser incident though, we pulled into a parking lot not far behind the cop because that is where we were going. When I came out, he had some woman in a Lexus ES350 pulled over in the driveway giving her a ticket. He gave my car a hard stare when I pulled out, I am sure he saw the detector on the back since it's right over the plate. He surely could have seen the ones in the front if he knew what to look for but as he was otherwise generating revenue, he probably didn't care.

 

I think you are right, but unless this new escort system is different, you can't get it without the escort shifters. I loved my 9500ci radar detectors, so I got the Bel STIr (sister unit to the escort 9500) because that unit can be purchased as a standalone radar unit and just added ALP jammers to it.

My wife has the Net radar that ALP teamed up with. Seems to work fine, but I rarely drive her car.

 

I've always been afraid to have a system permanently installed in my car because Colorado law prohibits laser shifters.

 

Well the ALP double as parking assists

 

What problems are you having with your net radar? I love mine and it has basically matched my Redline when I had them both running.

 

My NET radar was working fine before parking for winter..

 

I run Stinger and am very happy with it but honestly you're the only one I've ever heard with patently bad reviews of the Net Radar.

 

And another plus for net is very proactive development/support

 

Actually this is not true on Net Radar. It is true for ALP.

Remember ALP and Net Radar are different companies. And this is part of the issue. ALP prioritized ALP updates, and fits in software for Net Radar in its spare time. And most people would agree with this prioritization. However it nevertheless means that the radar side gets shortchanged, in a way that it would not be shortchanged at say Radenso.

There are several area this product has been disappointing:

1) The lockouts feature is pathetic. It barely works and you have to lock out the same source multiple times from different directions. In addition there is no auto lockout, and while he does have a feature that blocks all K band alerts along a route, that feature will unlock the same ones it blocked if you drive the same route twice. This is very poor design. Valentine, Escort, and Stinger all have a functional auto lockout function, Net Radar does not.

2) The entire system is highly dependent on using a phone app: You need to use a phone to be able to access lockouts as well as detailed visual alerts because there is no display. However if you use a phone then it won't send alerts to the external speaker, only to the phone's speaker which isn't loud enough for a performance car. This has been an issue for a while and several people have raised it but he just sweeps it under the carpet. Again this shouldn't be complicated - Escort and Valentine know how to use both a system external speaker and a phone speaker at same time, why can't Net Radar?

3) For Android users there is no option of HFP alerts (using Bluetooth protocol to simulate a call over car speakers). This is an Android limitation but it underscores the idiocy of not enabling simultaneous use of the external speaker with the phone speaker.

4) He sold people front and rear antennas since June, but he hasn't issued an update for the Arrows. So when you encounter a radar threat it alerts forever because it can't filter it out once you pass it since it isn't assessing direction, and you can't tell if you passed it because no arrows.

5) The range isn't exactly spectacular. In fact it is usually the weakest of the installed detectors. Look at the attached chart and you will see what I mean. It is beaten by Stinger, 9500CI, STIR+ and Radenso HD+. When you consider the escort is a 9 year old product, this is unimpressive.



The issue is the owner of Net Electronics who is also the US distributor of Antilaser is a guy who doesn't accept feedback. If you look at most forum posts, where someone raises an issue, his response is often to convince them there is no issue or to say the issue is unimportant and not worth prioritizing. My personal feeling is been that he:
1) Takes the position that he is always right and the customer is always wrong whenever you attempt to give feedback. For instance to have smart control of the system (e.g. Lockouts) you need a phone interface. But if you use Android you can't use an external speaker which makes alerts impossible to hear if your playing music. It you use iOS you will find the support is limited and updates are lagged by a few months.
2) He doesn't prioritize the radar product development relative to the lidar which means the NetRadar feels like an unsupported product. While the underlying issue may be he has difficulty influencing Antilaser's app development I find that he himself seems to downplay the priority of radar updates.
3) He is downright abrasive. When I raised issues with the product he instructed moderators on the radar forum to shut down my feedback. I assume he has the moderators on his side due to financial incentives such as product discounts. However this behavior in itself underscores his contempt for customers.
4) BTW He had a conflict with the owners of 6Speed because when he was a sponsor he didn't want to respond to PMs. In the end he ended up dropping 6Speed sponsorship because he wouldn't accept the rules.

 

I don't dispute your claim but the product is still relatively new (and does need work) and at least it's a NA product.
Unfortunately there really isn't anything much better at this time..until it gets some needed upgrades (or Stinger gets its act together), and one wants to utilize ALP it's the best pairing option.....