991 posts at RL
#61
04-25-2012, 01:43 PM
So I guess it's possible to be knowledgeble about driving but also to cast stereotypical sexist aspersions about good cars?
No offense, BW. Just couldn't resist!
#62
04-25-2012, 01:52 PM
You may call this harping, but I don't think it is unjustified. For months this same individual has been posting negatively over and over about the 991. All I am doing is asking why. It is not unreasonable to ask, but since I haven't got anything approaching an answer from the OP, I am going to leave it at that. Others have suggested answers and I think some of them may be a lot closer to the truth than the OP cares to admit.
#63
04-25-2012, 01:52 PM
or is it that the boxster is more of a mans car than the 991...(SARCASM!)
no offense taken...it was a good pick-up.
#66
04-25-2012, 02:54 PM
Her old team publicly said she is a real b**tch when she has her periods!! So.. you make up your own mind on this one... I guess it depends..
#68
04-25-2012, 03:19 PM
i have also noticed Adidas posting negatively re: 991 repeatedly.
and i am not sure why...
everyone already knows how he feels re: 991, no ?
to post his own opinion or experience is one thing..
to start a thread using others opinions to back up his own negativity towards 991 is 'weak'
and i am not sure why...
everyone already knows how he feels re: 991, no ?
to post his own opinion or experience is one thing..
to start a thread using others opinions to back up his own negativity towards 991 is 'weak'
Last edited by crazycarlitos; 04-25-2012 at 03:22 PM.
#70
04-25-2012, 03:45 PM
#71
04-25-2012, 04:58 PM
Your counterarguments actually make it clear why you like the 991 more than I do.
I agree that the 911 has continued to evolve over the generations, with the change from air to water cooled being significant. But I think the change in driving dynamics from the 997 to 991 is far more significant, more revolutionary than evolutionary. With revolutions, you get something fundamentally different, and intentionally so. Sometimes it works out better, sometimes not, and it often depends on who you ask.
As far 'beating' the GT-R, etc., no, I'm not concerned about beating its drag racing and lap times. I've driven the GT-R back to back with a considerably slower base 997, and I enjoyed the 997 much more, again mainly because of the driving dynamics which are (were) unique to the 911. And the 911 is still plenty fast, even in base form. How fast do you need to be on public roads, or even on the track?
And regardless of any speed 'deficits', the sales numbers showed that the 911 was already beating other sports cars by winning on its own terms, using its own recipe which no other brand had even attempted to copy. The new recipe may have more mass appeal (time will tell), but the 911 was meant to be a special car designed for people who love performance driving and are appreciative of nuances which the masses won't even notice.
I agree that the 911 has continued to evolve over the generations, with the change from air to water cooled being significant. But I think the change in driving dynamics from the 997 to 991 is far more significant, more revolutionary than evolutionary. With revolutions, you get something fundamentally different, and intentionally so. Sometimes it works out better, sometimes not, and it often depends on who you ask.
As far 'beating' the GT-R, etc., no, I'm not concerned about beating its drag racing and lap times. I've driven the GT-R back to back with a considerably slower base 997, and I enjoyed the 997 much more, again mainly because of the driving dynamics which are (were) unique to the 911. And the 911 is still plenty fast, even in base form. How fast do you need to be on public roads, or even on the track?
And regardless of any speed 'deficits', the sales numbers showed that the 911 was already beating other sports cars by winning on its own terms, using its own recipe which no other brand had even attempted to copy. The new recipe may have more mass appeal (time will tell), but the 911 was meant to be a special car designed for people who love performance driving and are appreciative of nuances which the masses won't even notice.
It's not just the 13 GTR . The Acura NSX will be out soon as well ( a potential home run technological vehicle) as the new M3 . Mclaren also made a road car . AMG Benz will also evolve .
The other companies ARE growing.
Porsche has to take a risk in order to grow. They happened to have built a great car with the 991 !! I realize its not easy to accept it . It took me a month to even drive one but after my drive I thought it over with an open mind.
And who says the driving dynamics aren't the next step for Porsche with the car ? Do you not think all auto manufacturers are influenced by the economic, envirnomental , and competition concerns ?
Granted .. they may have to change things more in the future .. but at least the car will have a future .
Last edited by yrralis1; 04-25-2012 at 05:52 PM.
#72
04-25-2012, 05:09 PM
The problem is not about the forum but moreseo that the person who wrote the original post is absent from the discussion .
#73
04-25-2012, 05:14 PM
Big difference .
#74
04-25-2012, 05:52 PM
You dont think Porsche took a risk when they first launched a car with an engine hanging on its rear decades ago ?
It's not just the 13 GTR . The Acura NSX will be out soon as well ( a potential home run technological vehicle) as the new M3 . Mclaren also made a road car . AMG Benz will also evolve .
The other companies ARE growing.
Porsche has to take a risk in order to grow. They happened to have built a great car with the 991 !! I realize its not easy to accept it . It took me a month to even drive one but after my drive I thought it over and grew from the experience .
And who says the driving dynamics aren't the next step for Porsche with the car ? Do you not think all auto manufacturers are influenced by the economy, envirnomental concerns, and ciompetition ?
Granted .. they may have to change things more in the future .. but at least the car will have a future .
It's not just the 13 GTR . The Acura NSX will be out soon as well ( a potential home run technological vehicle) as the new M3 . Mclaren also made a road car . AMG Benz will also evolve .
The other companies ARE growing.
Porsche has to take a risk in order to grow. They happened to have built a great car with the 991 !! I realize its not easy to accept it . It took me a month to even drive one but after my drive I thought it over and grew from the experience .
And who says the driving dynamics aren't the next step for Porsche with the car ? Do you not think all auto manufacturers are influenced by the economy, envirnomental concerns, and ciompetition ?
Granted .. they may have to change things more in the future .. but at least the car will have a future .
And I really don't see any justification for regressing in the steering feel for the sake of a miniscule gain in gas mileage.
Also, I'm not convinced that those other brands were poised to steal a lot of sales away from the 911. The 911 still had a combination of driving dynamics, measurable performance, daily drivability, pedigree, trackability, and elegant understatement which they couldn't match. I suspect that a modest styling refresh, more weight reduction, and more power would have done the trick.
#75
04-25-2012, 05:54 PM
Doesn't that make forums, and links thereto, a generally better source of info? That's been my experience.