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Old May 18, 2012 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ABC991
I have been searching for a manual f430, the few I find are commanding a premium vs a discount... There are just fewer of them and although the number of buyers are fewer as well, demand is high.
Happened with the M5/M6 V10 E60 - the few 6spd. cars around are demanding a premium.
 
Old May 18, 2012 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by frank69m
You guys need to realize that these days, kids don't know how to drive a MT. Only us oldies. Eventually, as they grow older, no one will know how to drive a MT and it will be obsolete. I'd say in 15-20 years or so.
Don't know if I agree with that - manual seems to be making a comeback

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Old May 18, 2012 | 08:03 AM
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Manual would hold up the pass of time better. I'd like to see what happens to a 20 yr old pdk. I have a tiptronic 996 and had to replace the whole transmission because when it goes... it goes. I can only imagine the new ones with more and more electronics. For example, in Africa (I spend time over there for biz) they do not want cars newer than 2000 or so, the preferred are Mercedes and Toyota, but the older ones. They local indys can't even touch the newer cars full of electronics.
 
Old May 18, 2012 | 08:08 AM
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I suspect that the passion of manual guys for manual is stronger than the passion of automated guys for automated. That would help explain why manual cars may command a premium in the used market, particularly with sports cars.

My guess is that manual will never completely go away, and even Ferrari et al may bring it back.
 
Old May 19, 2012 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
I suspect that the passion of manual guys for manual is stronger than the passion of automated guys for automated.
I totally agree with this statement.

I hope the OP is asking this question of whether to buy manual or automatic just for interest purpose and not really serious about future resale. Nobody should order a car having the next owner in mind.
 
Old May 19, 2012 | 10:40 AM
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I don't think that the manual guys will be feeling depreciation any faster than the auto guys. There are lots of manual guys and fewer vehicles that are going to be available.

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No, you won't get premium for it but it might help you sell faster. There will always be guys like me who only buys a MT sports car. PDK will be a dime a dozen in the used market. MT not so much so when the person who is looking for a MT sports car, you will be on the top of the list. I hear this all the time on other car forums. I could not find a MT so I settled for an auto but it has all the options I wanted.
 
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I was talking with someone who purchases Porsche vehicles on behalf of clients. He indicated that for Porsche vehicles made prior to 2009, his clients prefer MT over tiptronics. However, after Porsche finally came out with the PDK transmission (btw, Porsche was late to the party of advanced transmissions but that is another topic), there is a higher demand for PDK cars from his clients. Based on that, I would say that tiptronics are the bigger loser here.

Although many of his clients will never consider a sports car without MT,
the reality is that the majority of the younger generation has never driven a MT vehicle. Consequently, when ready for a Porsche, more than likely they will be looking for a PDK car.

PDK versus MT reminds me of what happened to vinyl records (remember those?). After CDs hit the market, very soon they took over the largest chunk of the market but vinyl never died. In fact, today sales of vinyl records have been increasing while sale of CDs are decreasing (in favor of mp3 downloads).

Don't buy these cars thinking about resale because it will be painful regardless. Get what you want/like. And BTW, I just got a 991 with MT.
 
Old May 21, 2012 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nicoff
I was talking with someone who purchases Porsche vehicles on behalf of clients. He indicated that for Porsche vehicles made prior to 2009, his clients prefer MT over tiptronics. However, after Porsche finally came out with the PDK transmission (btw, Porsche was late to the party of advanced transmissions but that is another topic), there is a higher demand for PDK cars from his clients. Based on that, I would say that tiptronics are the bigger loser here.

Although many of his clients will never consider a sports car without MT,
the reality is that the majority of the younger generation has never driven a MT vehicle. Consequently, when ready for a Porsche, more than likely they will be looking for a PDK car.

PDK versus MT reminds me of what happened to vinyl records (remember those?). After CDs hit the market, very soon they took over the largest chunk of the market but vinyl never died. In fact, today sales of vinyl records have been increasing while sale of CDs are decreasing (in favor of mp3 downloads).

Don't buy these cars thinking about resale because it will be painful regardless. Get what you want/like. And BTW, I just got a 991 with MT.
well put nicoff,
the choice for me is simple. i'm lucky enough to have other paddle style sports car in the stable so i need at least one manual car to have fun with. no other brand makes manual better than Porsche imo. my current daily is a 2010 C2S with MT. although i've had so many 911s before this car really surprises me how easy is to live with. frankly the lease is up soon but i haven't got tired of it. she will be missed but looks like i can't find any other replacement out there than a 991 C2S MT.
 
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Just get the car you want and don't think too much about resale value. You will drive yourself mad.
 
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People who are shopping for either MT or PDK will probably only accept the one they want, so having two options makes it harder to resell either type of car. But there are enough people who prefer each to make this an issue not worth worrying about, IMO.

I do though agree with the previous comment about tiptronic being a resale problem. About a year ago, my wife and I ran across a very nice 911 turbo which the wife and I loved, except that the tiptronic caused us to reject the car. As of last week, the dealer still hasn't sold the car ...
 
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User 991 owners are probably going to want manuals.
 
Old May 22, 2012 | 08:50 AM
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You have to remember that most cars are traded back in to the dealer. Dealers overwhelmingly want PDK, because that's what most consumers want. So, I think 6MT is less desirable. It's economics, not which transmission is better or more sporty.
 
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Originally Posted by robfxlr
Does MT kill resale value since PDK will undoubtedly rule the universe in the next few years.......................???
Only if selling to a lady.
 
Old May 22, 2012 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DS997c2s
Porsche would not have invested in creating a 7spd MT, if it was to kill it. It is here to stay.

I don't think it will get any rarer than it already is.
If only to be able to charge more for PDK!
 


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