I'm keeping the C2S. No turbo or GT3 for me.
#31
Since we're on prices, as a comparison, these are the prices in HK in USD:
C2S: 262,954
C4S: 284,644
GT3: 318,193
Turbo: 393,806
Turbo S: 478,838
The tax on cars and options is an insane 115% for cars over 70K USD. Seems like the govt's mentality is if you can afford a P, you can afford alot of other things too, hence the price hike...
Cheapest place in the world for P is Canada or Germany?
C2S: 262,954
C4S: 284,644
GT3: 318,193
Turbo: 393,806
Turbo S: 478,838
The tax on cars and options is an insane 115% for cars over 70K USD. Seems like the govt's mentality is if you can afford a P, you can afford alot of other things too, hence the price hike...
Cheapest place in the world for P is Canada or Germany?
Last edited by eddtiff; 07-04-2013 at 07:31 PM.
#36
Yes, you read right.
I'm keeping my C2S.
My appetite for GT3 and Turbo (S) has entirely vanished.
You may ask why.
Well, I don't know how Porsche's pricing works but I nearly soiled myself when I became aware of their prices for the new offererings locally.
Expressed in terms of the USD for simplicity it works out to:
GT3: $240000
Turbo S: $265000
For comparison, C2S: 120000
Prices before options, including local sales tax (14%).
I have just noticed that I am very happy with the C2S and have no desire to get anything else...
Rainier
I'm keeping my C2S.
My appetite for GT3 and Turbo (S) has entirely vanished.
You may ask why.
Well, I don't know how Porsche's pricing works but I nearly soiled myself when I became aware of their prices for the new offererings locally.
Expressed in terms of the USD for simplicity it works out to:
GT3: $240000
Turbo S: $265000
For comparison, C2S: 120000
Prices before options, including local sales tax (14%).
I have just noticed that I am very happy with the C2S and have no desire to get anything else...
Rainier
#37
Porsche SA told me that they requested a large GT3 allocation, but Germany wanted to deliver much fewer (other more important markets were prioritized) so the easiest way was to just make the price high (dictated to Porsche SA apparently they have no control over prices).
Likewise, I'm told the "standard" Carrera's are subsidized by Germany, but I'm far too skeptical to believe that.
#38
I will remind myself that I am driving a car worth double/triple what I actually paid.
#39
Unfortunately, in our country the government cannot collect tax from business as it should so it keeps adding those enormous taxes to variety of things to close the gap. Typically if you buy a car above 2000cc, you pay a whopping %140 tax for it. And, hold your breath, we even pay another tax for that tax !!!!! So the car pricing becomes like this (base car price + %140 tax) * %18 VAT We are proud to be the world leader in gas prices as well, a tiny US$9 for a galloon
#40
I did a similar exercise recently, it is worth noting that the C2S is quite under-spec'd in South Africa though, as we don't get the PCM/Nav as standard and some markets (like the UK) get full leather standard. So some of the pricing differential can be explained, but the GT3 makes no sense.
Suzy, you guys get your "Swiss Pack" which has some extras included that we have to pay for still...
Porsche SA told me that they requested a large GT3 allocation, but Germany wanted to deliver much fewer (other more important markets were prioritized) so the easiest way was to just make the price high (dictated to Porsche SA apparently they have no control over prices).
Likewise, I'm told the "standard" Carrera's are subsidized by Germany, but I'm far too skeptical to believe that.
On the other hand, if you want to have a good comparisation of price differences between various countries, you have to take all the prices EXCL. Taxes. For example: Switzerland has 8% VAT while Germany has 19% VAT. That is where you can see if it is Porsche or goverments that are gullty of those absurd prices in some markets. Mostly it is the goverments I guess
Nevertheless, the pricing of the GT3 in your market doesn't make sense, compared to other models and markets.
Suzy991
#41
Price differences notwithstanding, I honestly don't see the need to have so much potential performance go unrealized almost all the time in the kind of driving I'll be doing in my C2S. As a daily driver around town, the C2S will rarely get to stretch its legs much as it is. It'd be like using a thoroughbred racehorse to canter to the market or to dinner in a Turbo or GT3.
I should also add that I enjoy driving a N/A car far more than one with F/I.
My new C2S (born 5/13/13) is a jewel and my favorite car, even if my mid-ten-second Terminator is faster at the drag-strip.
Last edited by CarreraPete; 07-05-2013 at 07:42 AM.
#42
Hilarious!!!!
#43
The C2S is capable of cracking 11-seconds at the drag-strip and can also see 190 MPH. It also behaves like a gentleman in traffic on a 90+ degree day while keeping its driver nice and cool.
I should also add that I enjoy driving a N/A car far more than one with F/I.
My new C2S (born 5/13/13) is a jewel and my favorite car, even if my mid-ten-second Terminator is faster at the drag-strip.
I should also add that I enjoy driving a N/A car far more than one with F/I.
My new C2S (born 5/13/13) is a jewel and my favorite car, even if my mid-ten-second Terminator is faster at the drag-strip.
I think that Porsche recovered its design mojo for water cooled 911s with the 997.2 and has continued with "just right" looks. Yes, wider and lower and more aggressive is very cool. If I was to return to high track activity the GT3 would be very tempting- thats the only reason that I would mess up the lines with a wing as I did several times before. A full tilt mid engined car (should Porsche do the rumored Cayman GT3) would be better for that anyway. But I love preferring the 991 to a very comfortable high performance sedan for long trips and amazingly, to trips to the grocery store. Guess I am aging along with the 911 and enjoy the performance at all ends of the spectrum. Come to think of it thats the same market Porsche conquered from the start, isn't it?
Last edited by chuckbdc; 07-05-2013 at 08:40 AM.
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