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Just my opinion, but I would avoid purchasing your Porsche from Ellis Porsche in Atlanta. Use Hennesey Porsche and ask for Bruce Pinder. Awesome salesperson and very knowledgeable. I have purchased two porsches from them and both experiences were stress-free.

Ellis just uses the same old tired tricks that most STEALERSHIPS use to try and separate you from as much money as they can. After making wait around for literally hours, they insulted my intelligence with their negotiating tactics. This is my second time trying buy from them and both times a year apart were terrible experiences. Trust me.... avoid them. I wouldn't have gone back except they had the car on the lot I was looking for. First time shame on them second time shame on me. I won't be going back.

 

i'm not sure using the typical salesman techniques that dealers use really makes them a bad dealer, it rather sounds like Ellis are a good dealer

 

We differ on that. I can't stand the BS. There is a way to do it and a way not to do it. If I said that I was satisfied with a different dealer because of their demeanor there must be a better way. I can understand that you are in the business to make money but there is no need to frustrate and aggravate your customers.

 

if a dealer behaves in a typical way like the majority of other dealers it means they are a typical dealer, not a necessarily a bad dealer, obviously not a good dealer though

not liking the way dealers negotiate is a different matter, yes it sucks and i cant stand dealers at all, but they are pretty much all the same, then occaisionaly you get one salesman or dealer that makes you think there is hope for the planet after all lol

 

There are far and few dealers that truly care about a relationship and won't take advantage of consumers. It's a unique breed of people that are car salesman.

however, so far, clients of ours that are Tesla owners only have positive things to say. So, perhaps that's a business model for the future. You buy factory direct, place your order online, everyone pays the same price, and you simply pick up your car once it arrives.

 

hi, it would be helpful to provide more details...

 

Better yet, go through Scott Hamilton at Hennessy Atlanta and buy your car without stepping into the dealership. He is head of internet sales. I got a great deal (7% off) without any haggling on an ordered 2013 last fall. Might be able to do even better now. shamilton@hennessyporsche.com

 

7% isn't really that good though...
Last year, there was a brand new 991S with MSRP of $125k. It was on a special sale for $100K. But it was the last 2012 991 that dealer had.

 

It was pretty good a year ago when I ordered!

 

Sorry to hear that you have had bad experiences with Jim Ellis. Personally I have purchased cars from both ATL Porsche dealers and having excellent experiences with both the purchase process and after purchase service support with both. Have you personally expressed your concerns directly to the Jim Ellis Automotive Group's Corp offices in ATL? This would seem like a better solution than publicly flaming a dealership because of one or two bad salesmen.

 

In my opinion the salesmen are a representation of management and management a representation of corporate. Management knew I was standing around for hours waiting for them to play their silly pricing games that resulted in nothing being accomplished. I felt from the beginning that it was not about establishing a long term relationship but rather the importance was on selling a car. I never had such an experience at Hennesey. It was always very comfortable and respectful. Hence, the reasons for my comments. My only concern was sharing this with other enthusiasts so that they could have a better experience than I did.

 

I have a solution for that - I walk out and tell them to call me when they're serious about selling a car. My time is worth money, and it's not worth spending 3-4 hours to nail down a reasonable price; I can always buy a different car or go to a different dealership that respects my time.

Rule #1 of any negotiation: If you're not willing to walk away at any point in the process, you have already lost 99% of your ability to get a good deal.

 

I want to share something with you all for what its worth, I am the general manager of a car dealership and I have done this for over 14 years, I have sold several brands and at some point have attempted every sales tactic known to man. With my experience in 1000's of negotiations by now I will tell you starting at the bottom DOES NOT WORK. Every customer walk in and says they dont want to haggle just give them the bottom line, first of all if we did that the dealership would go out of business, second of all by nature people want to negotiate. If I open a new car deal at invoice with a 2-3k discount the customer thinks its too easy and there is 2-3k more to go. The times I see this most is when friends and family come in, I give the bottom number first and that sensation of saving money isnt there because they are buying the car at the first number or asking price, I can tell from there reaction they want to ask for more and sometimes they do. If someone saves $2,000 in 1 hour its more rewarding than saving $3000 in 1min.

 

Also most people on this forum own a porsche or another high line car so I assume at some point you have all sold a car or a house. When you put your house on the market you did not list it at the price you were willing to sell for, you put more so you had room to negotiate, im sure you have all done the same with cars at well. How come this practice is ok when your the dealer?

 

Agreed and usually I walk. But I didn't and that is my fault. Won't happen again