That's a good one Serge!! Pourrait-il être que vous vous référez à la semaine de travail de 35 heure mandatée par le gouvernement français conformément à la règle(l'autorité) Socialiste? Quel désastre.

I once worked for a boss (CEO) who said "I only expect you to work half days, what you do with the other 12 hours is your business." Retirement compensation was tied to the value of the stock. If you worked hard and worked smart you had an excellent opportunity at accumulating a couple of million upon retirement. He instituted this policy 25 years ago. He was ahead of his time.

 

I do not disagree. The video was originally used as a response to a post (not sure it was on 6speed or elsewhere) claiming that a Tesla S was faster than a Corvette using the video at the right hand side.

Attending the same track day with my 991, I precisely was making the point that bragging about the Tesla being faster than a 'Vette around the track was pointless. The Corvette could have probably gone as fast as the 991...and much faster than the Tesla around the track depending on the driver, run group and traffic. Not sure the video really drove the point home, but it did not take me more than 10 minutes with iMovie

I am not picking on the Tesla either (even though I am absolutely not a fan of Elon Musk), but the thing that drives me mad is representing cars for what they are not and bragging about apples to oranges comparisons.

 

A couple of million??? Man how dare you? With all these jobless people who should get a lot more money? With all this poverty in this world? You should give 75% of this money back to the Socialist government who would redistribute it to people who have not done ****.
And BTW, this nice car of yours, It is an insult to those who have to take the train and a lethal threat to future generation.

Sorry, back on topic... I'll stop turning this thread into a political rant.

 

Car companies have been putting out crap for 50 years and people are bashing this new company that put out a great product (whether you like the platform or not) in the first
Generation"..............

Been in the business for 30 plus years and that is amazing no matter who made it.....

 

Yeah I completely agree with you.. The tesla doesn't interest me esthetically, and i don't buy cars based on 0 to 60 times.. But I admire what they have achieved and I hope they are successful.. Seems like they have done a remarkable job engineering and manufacturing wise in a product that is very new still..

I also like that they have upset the status quo in how the cars are sold.. Hell if I could buy cars like I buy things from amazon I would be thrilled..

But I laugh as how many chances Detroit gets... I've heard the same commentary in their advertising repeatedly since they started getting killed by Toyota and Honda in the early 80s with their first real competition.. And the message is always that "we have gotten much better than we used to be.".. "We are the new <insert ford! Chrysler, gm etc).. "..

In reality they throw their effort into a few models and create an acceptable quality model.. When the rest of the line is still crap.. You can go buy just about any Toyota or Honda model and from a quality standpoint you know you don't have to worry much..

I hope tesla survives..

 

I agree with you. I know people who have work with them as suppliers and the feedback I got is that their engineers are extremely competent and professional, with actual automotive industry experience and challenging existing technologies but reminding mindful of costs/benefits.

Tesla seems to be the only truly innovative product in that field (maybe with the Nissan Leaf?). Fisker was subsidized cr@p, the Chevy Volt and other hybrids are not convincing (or not actually more energy efficient than a good diesel engine in actual driving conditions).

This being said, Elon Musk is unbearable

 

I don't even care that it is an electric technology.. If they made combustion vehicles I'd support them.. The torque aspect is interesting I must admit.. So I can appreciate the performance aspects of electrics.. But the environmental aspect of electric cars is a complete crock unless all your electricity is produced by hydroelectric.. And battery disposal is just going to become a more serious issue as hybrid and electrics gain market share.. I have yet to understand the thought process that goes into buying a hybrid.. The added cost, maintain and reduced reliability to a comparable gas model never makes financial since apples to apples you never recover the investment for the perceived reduction in fuel costs..

But then again I saw a marketing statistic that indicated that a major reason that consumers purchase hybrids and electrics is to make a statement.. So I guess it is more about feeling good than anything..

 

I would say the point of the video might be that Road & Track magazine stats are sometimes pointless in trying to discern which vehicles are superior. Certainly the build quality, reliability, and reputation of the 911 has always been superior to that of the Corvette. Bosch vs AC Delco. Hmmm, easy choice.

 

But, it's only fair .

 

There's so much wrong with the Tesla and its reason for being. Let's see if it can compete in the free market once the gigantic federal and state subsidies dry up. I'm not interested in spending my hard earned tax dollars on someone else's idea of responsible transportation. I promise I won't ask you to subsidize my choices in return. This car has a 70 mile range??? You can't be serious...and this is called progress. Oh yeah and another thing, I'm not interested having my buying behavior pushed and controlled by policies that are based on questionable assumptions.

 

Not to turn it to politics, but I like your thinking. Let's dump all the oil company subsides and tax breaks, too. The real world certainly is more complex than portrayed by the news and other "news" sources.

 

^no doubt about this.
As an engineer by trade, I like the technological part of it and it is an area where Tesla has done better than others.

But it is obvious that they could not survive in a free market, that I do not support the use of my tax $$ for this and that the solution is environmentally questionable (if you do the complete life cycle analysis -incl batteries- and the electricity production and distribution losses).

Obama & Co are not going to save the planet. You can go back 100 years and look at all the future disasters that had been predicted, none of them has happened: we should have run out of oil for a long time already, there would be too many people on earth for the resources and food available, we should all be dead from skin cancer due to the depletion of the ozone layer, etc. The global warming is only the latest iteration in that process. The fact of the matter is that none of those catastrophic scenario's were scientifically correct and that governments have never fixed anything.
The market takes care of everything.

 

Until it crashes. Utopian theories, whatever the flavor, usually don't match reality. Pragmatism is the only 'ism that I support. Can we talk about cars again? Just saying'.

Can I get an amen anybody? Cars, cars, cars.

 

^Nothing is black or white and market crashes are part of its self regulation.

Anyway, I promise I'll stick to cars from now on... maybe with a little twist here and there...

 

God bless you, sir.