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Originally Posted by scatkins

it took you a while to admit it was a 997 because you probably felt it would diminish from your story in a 991 forum

The fact that it was a 997 wasn't a secret, just an oversight.

Frankly, I don't really care what you think of my story. I'm not looking for sympathy or approval from strangers on the Web, concessions from Porsche or other gains. I'm simply putting out a narrative of my bad experience with PCNA. My blog consists of facts and opinions. I clearly state which is which. You can disagree with my opinions, but not with the facts which are that:

1. Porsche promised me brakes that were 'more resistant to heat' than steel.
2. Promoted the Turbo S as the ultimate car for high performance driving.
3. I took Porsche at its word and drove it in the manner that they said it was meant to be driven.
4. The rear PCCB rotors burned out at 12,000 miles, less than a quarter of the 50,000 warranty.
5. Porsche refused to admit their liability or even acknowledge that they lied to me about the durability of their brakes. Instead they attacked me in ways not important for this discussion.
6. I used to be a great fan of Porsche, but they have succeeded in alienating me to the point that I’m spending valuable time debating with strangers on the Internet.

Take this information, and interpret it any way that you like.

 

I had the local Porsche dealer inspect and service my car before every event, so maintenance wasn't the problem.

 

You are entertaining me immensely, you cut and paste your "story" to every forum you can find. Then whine about spending your "valuable" time debating strangers on the internet..

mmm, probably wrong place to post if you don't like debating..

We will make sure we don't waste any more of your valuable time, so I propose we all just promise to be silent so you broadcast whatever you want without any challenge... because your time is so valuable..

 

Sorry, I missed your questions earlier. See my answers in bold above.

 

Touche.

 

For what it's worth I think this is a valuable post and it's great to know that the CCBs are not durable and not a good choice for track driving. I had heard this from others previously too.

Not sure what Scatkins agenda is. Seems suspicious for someone to want to silence a customers feedback. Reviews help everyone. The balance of positive and negative helps provide a sense of where the reality lies.

Scatkins comes across like the bozos at Porsche who tries to sweep Nick Murray's issue under the carpet.

 

Couldn't agree more!

 

Nice C4S.

My Turbo S is GT Silver also. Love the color.

 

Who's trying to sweep anything? I'm just trying to understand the issue.. And when I googled trying to educate myself on PCCB failures the only thing that showed that was relatively recent were the OP's same post repeated in a variety of different forums. Obviously an agenda, and I'm the first to admit that he has a right to that especially if he was indeed treated unfairly..

My AGENDA, is not to silence or sweep any issues under the carpet.. I'm all about publicizing things that are wrong.. And I strongly felt that way about Nicks ordeal who got the corporate customer service shaft until he embarrassed them into doing what is right..

The OP may have a legitimate gripe, but I took issue with and was frustrated with was the OP throwing a turd on the table on several different 991 board/forums ( but no 997 which would have been the most appropriate) and then not being willing to answer anyone's most basic of questions without a lot of prodding.. that is what was suspicious and I wasn't the only one who felt so..

To the OP's credit he did eventually answer the questions here that were asked of him..


You mentioned it is valuable to know that PCCB's are not durable... But that not a conclusion I'm willing to jump to at least without more qualification and a more credible and knowledgeable source..

Honestly I haven't heard enough details to even have a clue if the issue he was facing was crappy brake design, bad driving technique, a bad set of brakes, or just the nature of this kind of brake product.. I've heard comments so far in this and the rennlist threads to the effect that it could be any of the four.

But I also have learned that because of the lack of fading feedback, it is much easier for the unskilled or unknowing driver to inadvertently overheat and damage them.. they work great right up until the point they don't anymore.. especially in track applications, which apparently is why OEMS routinely deny warranty claims on them. thus the counter intuitive reputation for being better for amateur use on the street than on the track... So for a non-track user, would they really be less durable?

In any case, if wanting to understand more before jumping on the "they suck so they should be avoided" bandwagon makes me a Bozo.. then I'll squeeze my big red nose "honk... Honk"...

So I'll have to hope for an intelligent discussion by more credible folks on the subject before I make my own next buying decision..


But I agree with you, that reviews are important.. good and bad..

 

A search turns up your complaint on several forums, but there are other threads about PCCB failure as well, so you are not the only one that has had an issue with them. I got 'em on my Turbo. But I don't track my car, either.

I think the sudden appearance on multiple forums at the same time with the same complaint as a first post rubbed some folks the wrong way.

 

I think he wanted attention for his problem and saw the right moment when all the bad publicity happened because of Nick's video.
The problems with PCCB's are known, but brakes on the 991 TTS are different. The fact that he had problems, doesn't mean all ceremic brakes are bad.

I can't help thinking this is just trolling. It's kinda strange that right after that bad publicity, someone new to all forums pops up and starts complaining on all the P-car related forums in threads for 991 while his car seems to be a 997. Sorry... i don't buy it.

Suzy991 (iOS app)

 

Not even close. You have *900* track miles on a car that meets all the claims of being a rocket ship in a straight line and advertises it uses its rear brakes to aid turn-in. Your casual street driving has nothing to do with your wearing out the rear brakes. Even casual checking around would have told you that most people that do that much tracking go for steel that is cheaper to replace because that sort of wear is typical with PTV. You did not purchase a race car, let alone a track car.

 

Nick's post was April 15th. Mine was on April 7th. If you can read a calendar, you will know mine was earlier than Nick's. It's a coincidence. Get over it.

 

I was referring to my blog post, not this forum post.

 

Thanks for the post. It would be interesting to know if this systemic and not a one off situation.