Look. It is a numbers game. Porsche numbers are very weak. Every other car has over 400HP out there. The Corvette C06 has 650HP with 650Torque for under 80K.


CS2 has to have over 500HP to compete in the big leagues. I believe Porsche will setup to the game. Having an 8 cylinder boxer engine in the Turbo should be considered.

 

I'd have to disagree with this statement, for Porsche it is not and never has been a hp numbers game. The number game with them is mostly around maximization of profit per vehicle and they are doing just fine there. Leather sun visors as an option!

The only performance number they are concerned about is lap times (991 C2S does just fine here) and I don't see them taking the bait on HP figures... they have 50+ years experience now with the 911 and based on history I suspect they will stay the course on power figures across the vast 911 model line.

Last I checked the 991 GT3 makes less power than many other options out there and yet it still considered by many to be the best drivers car available on the market...

 

What cars do you consider it competing with? I really believe it's more than a numbers game for Porsche. But everyone has their idea of what makes the car right for them -- I just don't think horsepower/numbers is the main factor when people buy the CS2. Otherwise everyone would just be driving around in base model Corvettes, as they offer similar numbers and are literally half the price. Porsche has a pretty good segment.

 

Sure you can buy more hp than a Porsche has for less money, but it is how the power gets to the ground that makes Porsche's different. GT3's are about the same price as Nissan GT-R's, but GT-R's have much more power and are very worthy track vehicles. Why then would anybody buy a GT3?

IMO Porsche will move a bit faster than in the past with higher hp, but will still have incremental, not large increases for the 911. As discussed earlier on this topic, Porsche will probably turbo charge all 991's to comply with government mileage and emissions standards and will very probably hybridize the next 911 Turbo with output around 700 hp. This would be a quantum jump in hp for the 991 Turbo S with only 560 hp now, but seems logical given the performance of approximately similar performance and price cars. Funny thing is that the 991 Turbo S with less hp is a bargain compared to Mclaren, Ferrari and Lamborghini and yet either outperforms all of them up to about 120 mph or at least stays quite close. In practical public road driving the Turbo S is hard to beat at any price.

 

If it is not about the horsepower and Torque then why does the Turbo exist? It is basically the same car with more might I say Horsepower/Torque... It is always about the numbers.... Cars costing around 40K have more than 400HP nowadays... Porsche has to bring on their game.... 8 cylinder Boxer engine in the 911.

 

They just announced the face lifted Cayenne GTS a couple days ago. The mid cycle refresh, same as what's happening soon with the 991.

They went to a V6 turbocharged versus the old V8

The concerning thing is from what I saw posted, the base price went up around 10K for the new model?? Yikes.

 

As far back as 2011, Porsche made 620hp from the flat six so what makes you think the 911 needs 8 cylinders?

As for the Turbo, it's called tiered pricing and neither Porsche nor the auto industry created it. I'm pretty sure that when the oldest profession in the world was launched in ancient Egypt or Mesopotamia, you could pay extra gold for the hotter chicks... your choice .

Sounds to me like yours (and the other "needs more power" guys) problem with the 911's is very simple: You just wish the Turbos were cheaper.

 

Cmon, man. I presume you're an M5 owner and possibly a 911 owner as well? How can you make these arguments? The Corvette isn't even in the same league as the 911. I am in no way belittling the Vette, but it is objectively in another category.

Any car that has "higher numbers" shouldn't automatically make the 911 look weak. The F10 M5 has 560hp... does that mean the 911 is weak?


Amen.

 

Aside from these visual enhancements, the 2016 Porsche 911 Targa 4 and 4S facelift is expected to adopt turbocharged engines just like the rest of the refreshed 911 family (except GT3 & GT3 RS). As a consequence, the 350 bhp six-cylinder 3.4-liter inside the Targa 4 along with the 400 bhp six-cylinder 3.8-liter naturally aspirated engines will be dropped to make room for a couple of turbocharged motors that will still continue to work exclusively with an all-wheel drive system.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11411078...mildly-revised

 

I like everything about our cars better than those test mules pics. I don't even think it's close. Fugly

 

I agree. These are bad pictures, but I am sure the car will look great when it comes out.

 

It is only about the numbers if you don't know any better... Numbers are a suckers game....

At a minimum look at hp to weight ratios or torque to weight ratios. At Least they are somewhat reflective of expected performance.. But absolute output numbers don't mean anything by themselves..

Use your head, how many cars can do 189 mph and 3.9 sec 0-60... And also win on the track... Doing that isn't what your 40k Chevy box can do...

 

I agree. Porsche has only delivered modest increases over the years for the Carrera S: 355hp to 380hp and now 400hp. It will likely be another 20hp or so, bringing it to 420hp.

But the good news here is that there will be more torque and the potential to ecu tune/flash for more horsepower. I'd definitely be interested in buying one if a tuner develops a software tune to +500hp!

 

Good news if the turbos happen for the C2 and C2S since this will booth the low-end feel.

I recently bought a 2015 A3 1.8T Cab and was surprised how responsive it was in the lower RPM range.

 

I'm definitely sure the turbos will be only moderate hp increases..Given the reason behind all of this is mileage requirements.. But be very wary of over boosting this kind of engine..