I am thinking of getting a 991 911 but I am torn between the c2s vs c4s... I am used to drive an AWD car, even if where I live there's snow I won't drive it in winter, but I was thinking how does the c2s handle under wet/rain? is it really worth it to get the c4s?

thanks guys

 

I'm a bit biased coming from 4 previous TT P'cars and now a 4S. I am a big fan of the wide body look and can't say enough about Porsche AWD. Drive both you will know which one to choose.

 

To me the C2S just feels better and it is perfectly fine in the wet at any reasonable speed, and the C4S is undoubtedly better in the wet at unreasonable speeds! Both handle far better than any speed limit allows.

 

Really will come down to your own personal preference.... If your reasoning is that you want AWD for varying weather conditions, go for the C4. But even then, you should have the proper set-up for weather conditions, such as full snow tires. If you won't drive it in anything but sunny days, save some money and go with the C2.

My own personal experience with a 4S in northeast the past two years has been that handling is superb in the wet and even on ice. How superb ultimately comes down to driver skill!

Either way, you will be happy!

 

Admittedly, I am biased since I own a 991 C4. However, I like that the rear-end never gets too much out of sorts and that the car literally goes whereever I point it. Both wonderful machines, but I'd go for the C4S.

 

If you want the best in more extreme conditions 4s is the way to go. If you are only going to use the car in nice conditions and prefer rwd then the 2s should be your pick. It is definitely capable of handling the rain. Performance wise they are very similar.

Take both for a drive if you can the steering might feel a bit different (maybe even better to you) in the 4s plus the hips on that car and the rear light are very pleasing to the eye. Good luck!

 

I owned a 997 C4S but gave up AWD and now own a 991 C2S. Both handle great even in heavy rain. However the C2S just feels more nimble on dry or wet roads. The 2S and 4S both have a rear engine coupled with rear wheel drive. This innovation was the brain child of Ferdinand Porsche's original concept for the 911. You can't go wrong with either vehicle.

 

I was super biased to RWD before
After I got my TTs, the AWD is super. When it needs to be a RWD car, 100% torque will be at the back. But if you need some in the front, it will transfer to the front.
AWD is just much better in terms of performance and confidence.

 

Thanks a lot guys, really appreciated! I will for sure try both... the only thing that makes me hesitate is I say I won't drive in winter, but it wont surprise me if I did and of course there will be winter tires on it (mandatory in winter where I live)

 

The AWD of the C4S is mistaken by some to think its primarily for bad weather, but that;s not why you buy it. You get AWD on a sports car because they can absolutely dive bomb a corner IN THE DRY like nobody's business and the car is pulling around the corner with all four wheels driving. In a 2 WD car, the fronts are just coasting, not pulling. It makes a huge difference if you drive the car at 10/10ths. How effective is it? Well it was banned from racing until Audi successfully campaigned to have that lifted in 1979. I've had both AWD and 2WD Porsche 911's.....for track work, give me an AWD Porsche and some extra sticky tires and its better n' any roller coaster you ever went on. The AWD does add complexity and weight, so there is the down side of it all.

HUGE fun peeling corners in an AWD car, and isn't that what sports cars are all about?

 

Right on as always. I upgraded fron a C2 to a C4S and the C4S is a lot more fun to track. I also upgraded to R compounds for track...but I have yet to try them out. Waiting for the fall season.

 

Excellent points drcollie!

In the context of weather conditions, I think I would only consider the AWD models knowing I may be faced with uncertain and sometimes unexpected conditions here in the NE (a.k.a 'armpit of the Nation' tri-state) area. I've only purchased AWD models over the years from BMW, MB for that little-bit of additional "safety" or "confidence."

As for performance context.... As I've said previously, the C4S seems to be better in cornering the harder I've pushed it into turns -- and watching the display for power distribution that you get with the 4 shows just how much the front wheels power you through rather than just scrubbing-off speed as the rears push forward! Maybe the display isn't 100% accurate with reality, but playing with brake-and-throttle variations while cornering I've figured-out how to get some awesome power distribution F/R at "higher" speeds. While my OE tires don't appreciate all that fun, and are starting to show that fact, I am having a blast every time I get to the twisties!!

 

I've had 997T4S and 991C2S, both driven on street and track extensively.

1. If theoretically I had one car that's sole purpose was to drive as fast as possible, in either the dry or wet, across varying conditions, street or track, I'd take the 4 every time for the extra confidence it brings.

2. The 991C2S with winter tires is still amazingly capable in harsh winters conditions. I've daily driven mine in the past 2 winters with no problems whatsoever, through ice, slush etc.

3. To me, cornering/handling in a sports car isn't always about getting through corners as fast as possible. Sometimes it it. But quite often, I like to turn PSM off and slide around -- that's much less do-able in a 4 and I would miss that.

 

I have to tell a little story....

Any of you guys been on Hogpen at VIR? For those of you that haven't its a series of downhill corners that fall away as you come onto the main straight and is the most technically challenging part of the track. In other words, it freaks people out.


When I had my C4S with R Compounds my very favorite thing to do was to grab one of my instructor pals and right seat them in my 993 for a lap. I'd say "Go for a ride with me - I wanna show you something". Because that is a downhill series of turns, 2WD cars push a little through there, so in most cars you run it briskly, but not hugely aggressively because if you do you can spin out and go agricultural right at the bottom.

The Porsche AWD with a warmed-up set of R Comps has so much stick through there that you can hammer it through Hogpen and stay on the gas. This makes your fellow instructor riding with you make little OH-MAI-GAWD whimpering noises as he is sure the two of you are going to meet with a flaming death at the bottom of the hill. It's just huge fun..>HUGE<. Pit out is right after Hogpen, so you roll in and your buddy's eyes are big as a half dollar and they say "Holy Moley, I didn't know this Porsche could do THAT!" And you wink at 'em and say "All-wheel drive, baby". And then they become a Believer.

FYI, I never push my 2WD cars through Hogpen like I do an AWD. Too scary to carry that much speed there without all four wheels pullin'.

Duane

 

I've been lucky enough to have owned both the 991 2S and 4S

991 C2S - Very planted compared the 997 C2S's I've owned, and I felt as comfortable in it as I did in my 997 C4S. I drove it in sunny and snowy days this past winter and never got stuck of felt uneasy. A good set of snow tires go a long way!

991 C4S - Wide body just so awesome, and visible every time i look in my mirror to change lanes. The car does really give you a feeling of being glued to the road
Obviously more traction in the winter, but I never encountered a situation where my 4S got me out where my 2S didn't

That said, I noticed you live in Montreal, and you guys get slaughtered with snow in the winter.....I'd go for the 4S if you can