Also - a 991.2 with mods will still never be an equivalent generation TURBO S in name, status or performance.

 

Doesn't mean I'm wrong. The 991.2 Carrera literally just hit 540 whp on 91 octane. That's 60 whp more than a 991.2 Turbo S.

I can't just jump ahead for you but you'll get videos, slips, and comparisons soon.

Fact of the matter is the 991.2 Carrera is easily topping the 991.2 Turbo S on the dyno at this stage which is a PROVEN FACT.

 

You literally have no idea what you're talking about:

Please tell us more about how 20% more boost equals 20% more lag.

 

How about the people with turbocharged Porsches chat?

350Z's don't apply here. We're talking about 991.2 tuning.

 

Modded 350Z's apply just as much as any other modded car and are an equally absurd comparison. We're talking about the merits of a 997TT and a base 3.0tt....

In parallel, maybe people that have or have had a Turbo S should be chatting here? I've had a heavily modded Mezger 997TT and a Stock 991.1 TURBO S.

OP: Bottom line is the infamous response about driving each. Know that largely the characteristic of the car will remain unchanged. Modding in any capacity will alter the acceleration under very specific conditions but that will not change the way you drive your car the other 99% of the time. Suspension is so good on the new cars from the factory that changes would be mostly aesthetic or likely make it worse for driving on the street. On the 997 some coilovers would be a good update due to age and technology advances since the car was current.

The 997 TURBO drives like a TURBO - that is not bad The 3.0tt is dang quick out of the box and will see some gains with mods but then again when you introduce mods - the 997 can be made just as fast, for less money given the platform has been out so long. The thing that you won't be able to mod away is the personality of the cars which is very different and should be the deciding factor.

Not to dilute your search, but have you considered the 911T? Base power plus better gearing and a lot more driver experience focused. I'm an NA guy but if I was shopping against new cars this would be at the top of my list. You can mod it just like a regular base but it has a more analog package that is greater than the sum of it's seemingly meaningless differences on paper. Just a thought?

 

Wrong - a MODDED car is beating out a factory Car. So what? There's nothing surprising or new about that at all.

Add nothing more than a tune on the TURBO S and the TURBO S wins[on the dyno]. Also- That Tune on the turbo S will do little on performance since TRACTION is already at the edge. Power without traction is not a means to an end.

 

Say whatever you want... I know you want the last word. I'll not be responding anymore to you....

 

We're talking about tuning the 3.0. It's already implied. The 991.2 Turbo S is the barometer for the comparison for context. It shows what a value 3.0 tuning is.

There's nothing surprising about it? Oh, so you called this? Or have you consistently stated the opposite?

A tune on the Turbo S will do little? Huh? It's AWD. Guys are running 9's on 1.5X 60 foots. Kindly do some research.

 

It's a good thing we don't race dyno plots in the real world. Cruise ships would be unbeatable.

 

Or hell - a 35K mustang with a 7K for a set of twin turbos will take you to >1,000hp!

You're post is something I'll quote moving forward. It's perfect.

 

That poses much relevance when talking about how two specific cars compare.

Maybe you could mention train plots next?

It's too bad you're in Ontario. I'd love to see the look on your face in person as a Carrera humbles you.

We'll have further data soon. I'll be the first one to tell you I told you so.

 

I look forward to your disappointment. Remember, 10.6@136 is your current target for my stock TTS. Stock means absolutely stock, with the manuals and the compressor still in the car. On 91 octane fuel. At 80F. On stock P-Zero N1s. With stock OEM tire pressures. Oh and my wash basin and rags in the frunk, if you want a fudge factor. Hopefully this spring I'll drop a few pounds out of the tires and rip off a 10.3-10.4 because that run was with tire spin.

Oh, and be sure to post the time slips. We're gonna need to see them.

Best of luck.

 

It's adorable you think 135 is fast or something. Is that a trap turbocharged 3.0 six cylinders have historically had trouble hitting or something?

Also, considering other 991.2's haven't hit naer that trap sounds like something is up.

You do know even the Audi RS3 is running much quicker and faster times than that and it has a 2.5 liter I5? And it is heavier than a Carrera?

I don't need luck. The laws of physics don't change based on your opinion.

OMG oh no a 10.6!

 

It's a completely stock car.

There are a handful of production cars in the world that run 10.6@136 that are stock, and most of them are $1M+

We have unmasked the troll, my friends. He just went clear off his reservation. In case he tries to change his post, I'm going to quote it here:

Note that I have already posted my time slip. It was done on a track that was calibrated for the Nationals. Here it is again:

 

It's a damn fast time. The power is almost the cheap part of the equation here though.... traction is a whole other issue and it is going to be cheaper to just sell a base car and buy a TTS then to try to get a car to launch and keep pulling to the extent it takes to pull of that time.

I have some experience drag racing and @ <12 sec. each .10/sec takes tremendous amounts of effort.