996 Turbo / GT2 Turbo discussion on previous model 2000-2005 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo and 911 GT2.

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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Soundeffects
I absolutely love the silent clutch chatter that is stock in my 996TT.

I'm coming from a triple plate clutch in Supra with a Tilton light flywheel where the car just made a ton of noise at idle and was fast.. At first I got use to the noise until I got the porsche and realized I was living with a Beast in the Supra! I'm so done with the loud noises right now. In conclusion it helps a lot but it my sacrifice everyday tolerance after a while driving an extremely loud chattering cluthc setup. I'm sure one day I'll go back to that stage and start putting aggressive mods but it will be a while until the 996 bores me.
It absolutely boggles my mind what Supra owners are willing to live with and consider normal. I had an Exedy twin carbon clutch in my Supra at one point and realized I'd crossed the line when I couldn't drive away from an intersection without jerking the car AND the clutch had to be heated up in order to hold any amount of boost...cold it just slipped wildly. I called Exedy and they said that was "normal" and that the twin carbon version wasn't a street application. As Adam Sandler said so prolifically in The Wedding Singer...that was information that would have been useful YESTERDAY!!!!! LOL.

I don't know the Porsche 996TT community well yet, but I really hope that cars being down for years at a time due to engine/drivetrain buildups isn't considered normal. In the Supra world it just wasn't a big deal to have a car down for years at a time. Yikes...I won't miss that at all.
 
Old Jan 3, 2009 | 02:43 AM
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Is it possible that RUF uses a dual mass LWFW which is more heavy than very light single mass FW but lighter than OEM flywheel?If it is a dual mass then no noise...Also is ti possible that RUF just took the OEM FW and made it lighter?
 
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Also,because in the next days I will buy a clutch-LWFW combo,the GT3-RS mentioned is from 996 or 997?Is it a single or dual mass?DOes it rattle?And with what clutch can we match it?
 
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Anyone using a LWFW with the stock clutch? My clutch is holding strong but I want to experience the LWFW response (with frugalness)...
 
Old Jan 3, 2009 | 06:59 AM
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If it isn't noisy, it IS a dual mass FW, period. The purpose of a factory dampened flywheel is to dampen those noises we all here and love so much. IMO, RUF probably modified the factory dampened flywheel so it IS lighter, but doesn't make any noise. Also, if you hate your clutch (it is like a toggle switch), a LWFW will make it even worse...
 
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Originally Posted by riley6
Anyone using a LWFW with the stock clutch? My clutch is holding strong but I want to experience the LWFW response (with frugalness)...
If you're already in there, change the whole clutch. You're starting to get modcrazy anyway, you'll need it!!!
 
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Originally Posted by ttboost
If you're already in there, change the whole clutch. You're starting to get modcrazy anyway, you'll need it!!!
Yeah the mod disease is spreading...my wife is about to kill me
 
Old Jan 3, 2009 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by riley6
Yeah the mod disease is spreading...my wife is about to kill me
Yeah good luck with that!!!! Sleep with your checkbook and 1 eye open!!!

Seriously, same amount of labor to get to the flywheel, might as well stick a better pressure plate in too. You're next Mod will likely kill your clutch. It only took a flash and mufflers to kill my 45k mile stock clutch.
 
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Originally Posted by ttboost
Yeah good luck with that!!!! Sleep with your checkbook and 1 eye open!!!

Seriously, same amount of labor to get to the flywheel, might as well stick a better pressure plate in too. You're next Mod will likely kill your clutch. It only took a flash and mufflers to kill my 45k mile stock clutch.
I definately picked up noticeable hp (over the flash) with the muffler-less exhaust I just put on. I'm wondering if my clutch is the original, I bought the car with 51K miles.
 

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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by riley6
I definately picked up noticeable hp (over the flash) with the muffler-less exhaust I just put on. I'm wondering if my clutch is the original, I bought the car with 51K miles.
You likely picked up 75whp, and the same, if not more, TQ, if that's your stock clutch,

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Agree. Mine slipped on highway pulls almost immediately after upgrading the software and the exhaust. You will be able to drive it unless you hit the 0.9-1.0 bar (that never happens, I know). Very simply, in my case, the stock clutch setup couldn't handle the power.
 
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Originally Posted by John D
It's loudest when stopped in traffic with cars on both sides of you. The rattle will echo off the cars beside you and it does sound like something is wrong or broken. You will also hear it on take-off. Once driving at speed there is no noise and the car drives and revs great with phenominal throttle response. If you can live with the noise at idle, in traffic and on take-off - you're all set. Personally, I don't care for the noise, but many don't mind it. It's very individual - sort of like exhaust sound.

RUF GT2 - You're lucky if you have the LWF with no noise - I could go for that...
John ,
Did you in stall install a LWFW ? I love it but My sachs stage 2 slips on hard 3rd & 4th pulls since Tony at EPL tuned it. Just like Heavy Chevy.

I wonder If you or any body has the Sachs part #s for a stronger clutch.??
Elliot
 
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True, guess I shouldn't press my luck...

Any opinion on the Fidanza LWFW?
 

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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by John D
iLLM3,

Given you have no noise - are you sure you have a LWF? I was considering a RUF550 several years ago and they spoke of modifying the OEM clutch, but I was under the impression they used a modified pressure plate and alternative disk, but retained the dual mass flywheel.
you are absolutely correct. D33PBLUE has a Ruf550 car and it came with the dual mass flywheel and modded plate and disk. It is not a LWFW for sure. In fact UMW, put a hard stop redline on the car because of it. So if all the Ruf550 cars are the same, then it is definitely not a LWFW. well maybe it is 5 grams lighter
 
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Originally Posted by Prche951
you are absolutely correct. D33PBLUE has a Ruf550 car and it came with the dual mass flywheel and modded plate and disk. It is not a LWFW for sure. In fact UMW, put a hard stop redline on the car because of it. So if all the Ruf550 cars are the same, then it is definitely not a LWFW. well maybe it is 5 grams lighter
Different options and stages for sure, not the lightest of the LWFW's but it is technically considered a LWFW and is best of all worlds (low chatter increased throttle response and revs) ...
 


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