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Old Jul 5, 2004 | 04:10 AM
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What mods do you have ?

I'm looking to do some mods to my 996. What ECU, Exhaust and intake should I go with ? Prices ? Any other mods I should consider ?
 
Old Jul 5, 2004 | 05:51 AM
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Originally posted by NoMercy
An MTI Z06/Z07 built just like mine with a smaller shot of nitrous won the One Lap of America last year.
So the question is, is an MTI Vette is a superior car on the racetrack than a 911? What's interesting is that a 380hp Ruf RGT came in 4th that year, so it's difficult to really gauge comparisons from that event. So was the MTI running its full power and the giggle gas throughout the entire event?

I would be surprised if an MTI Z07 could last a 12 hour endurance race against a stock GT3 or a Nevada open road race averaging 180mph for 90 miles against a Ruf Turbo.

An Evo Stage 4 996TT won the One Lap this year. Does that mean a 996TT is a superior track car to the GT3?

The reason why we buy Porsches is not so we can drive fast for ONE lap, it's so that we have reliable performance lap after lap.
 
Old Jul 5, 2004 | 05:57 AM
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Tyson,

Your point is well made within certain circumstances. Given stock turbo's, 3.6 L internals and no nitrous, the size of the turbo's required to produce consistent high 10's would produce so much lag below 5000 rpm's. The car would not be good for much else.
You are VERY incorrect about this. Perhaps Rob couldn't get it right, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. Why don't you ask Todd or Cynthia about it, I'm sure they would vehemently disagree with you as well.

My old started making boost at 2500rpm and had only a bit more lag than a K24.

It's all about how the ECU is programmed. We finally got it right after several years of tweaking.

I'm sure you will say that the blue car was not consistent high 10's but I can assure you it's WAY more consistent than your car was at that stage of tune.

Also, if that car had the same level of suspension tuning as your car, it would make for a pretty decent track car, as the turbo setup was very reliable!
 
Old Jul 5, 2004 | 06:02 AM
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Chad,

The other thing I want to mention is that your setup with Nitrous is good for a few drag races, and maybe a few laps on the track.

But what's the point if you can't pound it lap after lap? You seem so focused on being the "top dog" with the fastest single lap time or 1/4 mile time, rather than building for reliability.

I doubt you've put much mileage on your Turbo, so only time will tell if your setup is reliable... But I would be very surprised if your car could run 50 laps in a day at Willow Springs or Buttonwillow in 100 degree weather without breaking down.
 
Old Jul 5, 2004 | 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by Hamann7
You are VERY incorrect about this. Perhaps Rob couldn't get it right, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. Why don't you ask Todd or Cynthia about it, I'm sure they would vehemently disagree with you as well.

My old started making boost at 2500rpm and had only a bit more lag than a K24.

It's all about how the ECU is programmed. We finally got it right after several years of tweaking.

I'm sure you will say that the blue car was not consistent high 10's but I can assure you it's WAY more consistent than your car was at that stage of tune.

Also, if that car had the same level of suspension tuning as your car, it would make for a pretty decent track car, as the turbo setup was very reliable!
Tyson,

The big hot side turbo makes too much lag for the street. That is the reason for the nitrous assist in my car. The physics of the large turbo coupled with the small displccement motor guarantee lag. Now be honest, at what rpm did the power on your old car really kick in?

Another honest question, at the shootout how many runs did you make and what were the times of each? I am assuming the 10.7 was the trophy run and the others were probably in the range of 10.9-11.4.

As for milage, just a little over 8000 miles. The motor was designed for 50,000 miles considering the way I drive.

I am not criticizing at all. You can have an outrageous street car or you can have an outrageous track car....they are not compatable.
 

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Chad,

The other thing I want to mention is that your setup with Nitrous is good for a few drag races, and maybe a few laps on the track.

But what's the point if you can't pound it lap after lap? You seem so focused on being the "top dog" with the fastest single lap time or 1/4 mile time, rather than building for reliability.

I doubt you've put much mileage on your Turbo, so only time will tell if your setup is reliable... But I would be very surprised if your car could run 50 laps in a day at Willow Springs or Buttonwillow in 100 degree weather without breaking down.
Tyson,

Don't forget I am running built internals, larger displacement and more efficent oil and water cooling. There is more than a little power available without the nitrous. This nitrous system has it's own dedicated set of fuel injectors. The tranny and differencial is oil cooled and the brakes are GT3RS endurance brakes. It has huge intercoolers and they can also be CO2 cooled. The nitrous is on an adapative computer program. It is not simply all on or all off. It can come on as little or are much as you want over whatever period of time you want. It can come on at certain rpm's and it will go off at certain rpm's. The car has a boost controller so the boost can be adjusted from .7 bar to 1.8 bar.

No the car would not withstand 1.8 bar for fifty laps and this kind of power would be counter productive on a track anyway. I have already stated that it is my belief 620-650 fwhp is ideal for these cars on most tracks. I believe it would easily withstand 1.0-1.1 bar all day long. And don't forget about the clutch, how many clutches and drivetrains are built to consistently take the abuse of 7000+ rpm launches?

You have to give KA a little credit. I didn't claim she is the fastest.....just one of the faster ones.
 

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Originally posted by Hamann7
So the question is, is an MTI Vette is a superior car on the racetrack than a 911? What's interesting is that a 380hp Ruf RGT came in 4th that year, so it's difficult to really gauge comparisons from that event. So was the MTI running its full power and the giggle gas throughout the entire event?

I would be surprised if an MTI Z07 could last a 12 hour endurance race against a stock GT3 or a Nevada open road race averaging 180mph for 90 miles against a Ruf Turbo.

An Evo Stage 4 996TT won the One Lap this year. Does that mean a 996TT is a superior track car to the GT3?

The reason why we buy Porsches is not so we can drive fast for ONE lap, it's so that we have reliable performance lap after lap.
I was merely answering your comment about how a 9 sec Vette/Viper would be useless for anything else but drag racing. I think you should do a bit of research.

Not too many guys run their cars for 12 hours straight. When was the last time you ran a car for 12 hours?

Do you do alot of road racing or do you do mostly informal "canyon carving"?
 
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CJV,
What mods do you have ?

I'm looking to do some mods to my 996. What ECU, Exhaust and intake should I go with ? Prices ? Any other mods I should consider ?
twinvipers,

That is a loaded question. What are you doing with your turbo and how much hp do you believe you want?

Taking a stab, GIAC is good for most applications. Going exotic use Protomotive or GIAC if they will custom tune. Exhaust, Europipe is my favorite, however if you don't mind a very loud exhaust, Fabspeed is right up there. As for intakes, short of eliminating your air box and installing cones under your fenders, the S Car Go Racing carbon fiber is the coldest air delivery, free'est flowing, lightest and most power producing intake available. This intake on a properly tuned motor has shown to produce about twenty to twenty-six hp by itself.
 

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Old Jul 5, 2004 | 08:23 AM
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Just drove my car 11 hours, ran it at the track, 9 sec passes and drove home with the a/c on.

CJV

Just looking for a few more ponies(475-500). Not going crazy with it(yet). What is GIAC ? Thanks for the help.
 
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Just drove my car 11 hours, ran it at the track, 9 sec passes and drove home with the a/c on.


I hear ya'!
 
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NoMercy

Just drove my car 11 hours, ran it at the track, 9 sec passes and drove home with the a/c on.

CJV

Just looking for a few more ponies(475-500). Not going crazy with it(yet). What is GIAC ? Thanks for the help.
Contact Stephen (PorschePhD) at Imagine Auto. You don't need the intake. Actually all you need is the ECU. I would wait for a used exhaust to come along. Between the two you will have 500 hp.
 
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CJV,

How do these guys launch the AWD cars in the 1/4 mile ? I'm assuming they come out real easy till the clutch is all the way out ???

I will be taking it to the drag strip a few times a year. Can the car go 11.50's with the ECU and exhaust ?
 


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