996 Turbo / GT2 Turbo discussion on previous model 2000-2005 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo and 911 GT2.

car is going to be RWD in a couple days.. question inside

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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 05:26 PM
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You people are funny with your relentless BS about AWD and lack of a rear dif being a dangerous combination for the 911. AWD is heavy, and is a band aid for doctors who don't know there *** from a hole in the ground, and decide to buy a sports car. Its just like the doctors who purchased V-tail bonanza's back in the 70's and 80's. Their awful pilot skills had the tails falling off, hence the name "Doctor Killers" the V35's were labelled. AWD is cumbersome, ineffecient, pushes the car in corners, and again is a good way to add a margin of safety safe sports car. Since I have gone RWD, with no locking differential, my car has better turn in, better acceleration(due to other factors than weight savings alone), has much better handling charecteristics, and is a whole lot more fun car to drive. There were zero CEL PSM/ABS issues associated with the change, and I have had no issues with traction. I am running a 315 in the rear, but have been since AWD. My 60-130 time went down almost a second lower, and my favorite highway ramps are now taken much faster and with much more controlability now that I lost the BS AWD system.

Grow a pair, and actually go drive a car that has had the conversion instead of sitting behind a computer and blathering about how your friend's accountant's dentist hurt his vageen because he took out the front driveshaft on his 05 TurboS.
 
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 05:48 PM
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i agree 100 % with TXgold, I love driving my car so much more now thats its RWD,My car pushed so much in the corners I thought it was dangerous.
 
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Is there a good write up on what you supposed to do along with the driveshaft removal to make the most fun of it?
 
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TXGold
You people are funny with your relentless BS about AWD and lack of a rear dif being a dangerous combination for the 911. AWD is heavy, and is a band aid for doctors who don't know there *** from a hole in the ground, and decide to buy a sports car. Its just like the doctors who purchased V-tail bonanza's back in the 70's and 80's. Their awful pilot skills had the tails falling off, hence the name "Doctor Killers" the V35's were labelled. AWD is cumbersome, ineffecient, pushes the car in corners, and again is a good way to add a margin of safety safe sports car. Since I have gone RWD, with no locking differential, my car has better turn in, better acceleration(due to other factors than weight savings alone), has much better handling charecteristics, and is a whole lot more fun car to drive. There were zero CEL PSM/ABS issues associated with the change, and I have had no issues with traction. I am running a 315 in the rear, but have been since AWD. My 60-130 time went down almost a second lower, and my favorite highway ramps are now taken much faster and with much more controlability now that I lost the BS AWD system.

Grow a pair, and actually go drive a car that has had the conversion instead of sitting behind a computer and blathering about how your friend's accountant's dentist hurt his vageen because he took out the front driveshaft on his 05 TurboS.
 
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ive driven tims car (rpm north red 996 turbo w/ 776rwhp) and it feels more stable than mine

going rwd for sure
 
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Originally Posted by tom kerr
dont think RWD and 500hp+ on a track against other cars are really for "average" drivers. if you can tool around in that set up and not get an *** kicking you are far better than an average driver, dont sell yourself short

the factory put AWD in a 420hp car for the masses to drive safely not to be the fastest track set up so pick your poison. for tooling around and short fun sprints with your friends keep your AWD, for badass track drivers Porsche has chosen the ................ what.................. oh ya..............the RWD GT2 set up.

if you have 500+ hp the AWD will not make you safer it will make your car push more, understeer more, weigh more, and have no throttle steer or trail braking qualities that skilled track drivers need.

my car full real deal RWD will be finished this week and to the track the next.
I will post before and after traqmate data, I am hoping the RWD set up will be faster.
Tom you will love it and wonder why you have not converted to RWD sooner... You are also doing the LSD and so on, you are doing it PROPERLY, it will be a beast especially in your hands

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You people are funny with your relentless BS about AWD and lack of a rear dif being a dangerous combination for the 911. AWD is heavy, and is a band aid for doctors who don't know there *** from a hole in the ground, and decide to buy a sports car. Its just like the doctors who purchased V-tail bonanza's back in the 70's and 80's. Their awful pilot skills had the tails falling off, hence the name "Doctor Killers" the V35's were labelled. AWD is cumbersome, ineffecient, pushes the car in corners, and again is a good way to add a margin of safety safe sports car. Since I have gone RWD, with no locking differential, my car has better turn in, better acceleration(due to other factors than weight savings alone), has much better handling charecteristics, and is a whole lot more fun car to drive. There were zero CEL PSM/ABS issues associated with the change, and I have had no issues with traction. I am running a 315 in the rear, but have been since AWD. My 60-130 time went down almost a second lower, and my favorite highway ramps are now taken much faster and with much more controlability now that I lost the BS AWD system.

Grow a pair, and actually go drive a car that has had the conversion instead of sitting behind a computer and blathering about how your friend's accountant's dentist hurt his vageen because he took out the front driveshaft on his 05 TurboS.
THANK YOU!
 
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TXGold
You people are funny with your relentless BS about AWD and lack of a rear dif being a dangerous combination for the 911. AWD is heavy, and is a band aid for doctors who don't know there *** from a hole in the ground, and decide to buy a sports car. Its just like the doctors who purchased V-tail bonanza's back in the 70's and 80's. Their awful pilot skills had the tails falling off, hence the name "Doctor Killers" the V35's were labelled. AWD is cumbersome, ineffecient, pushes the car in corners, and again is a good way to add a margin of safety safe sports car. Since I have gone RWD, with no locking differential, my car has better turn in, better acceleration(due to other factors than weight savings alone), has much better handling charecteristics, and is a whole lot more fun car to drive. There were zero CEL PSM/ABS issues associated with the change, and I have had no issues with traction. I am running a 315 in the rear, but have been since AWD. My 60-130 time went down almost a second lower, and my favorite highway ramps are now taken much faster and with much more controlability now that I lost the BS AWD system.

Grow a pair, and actually go drive a car that has had the conversion instead of sitting behind a computer and blathering about how your friend's accountant's dentist hurt his vageen because he took out the front driveshaft on his 05 TurboS.
Well I like your take and appreciate the input on the RWD experience and look forward to mine.
I have driven everything, Cups, drag racers, raced everywhere, Have an SCCA, PCA, PBOC, and NASA CURRENT competitive race license and would like to try to rep out "Doctors" as maybe being capable of knowing something other than how to save a life, so drop the Doctor bashing **** and your comments will have a little more credit

I am sure you know plenty of Pilots that are dumbasses also cause I sure do and I dont think every Pilot is a dumbass.

Had a 1 year old little girl run over by a riding lawn mower Memorial Day, came in pretty much dead with a Hemoglobin of 2 (that's low for you Doc haters) and her leg hanging off....you get the picture.

that was last week, today she is alive and well with a living leg, so remember rather than paint with a broad brush some "doctors" that buy "sports cars" do know there *** from a hole in the ground.

tom
 

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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tom kerr
dont think RWD and 500hp+ on a track against other cars are really for "average" drivers. if you can tool around in that set up and not get an *** kicking you are far better than an average driver, dont sell yourself short
I appreciate your input and hopefully get to drive a RWD converted car soon. I tend to be a bit more conservative with my judgement and really do think I can learn a lot by doing some more track events... (only two currently and only one in the 996TT) In your opinion do you think I could still learn as fast/safely if I convert me car? I've seriously considered doing this mod in the past. I know there are some very experienced drivers like yourself out there and I'd like to know what to expect if I go down this road.... My car in a straight line and in the turns now is confidence building and I think that makes me a bit better driver because I am able to commit to my lines. Would the RWD drive conversion feel "nervous/twitchy"? Would the car still feel as planted?
 
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 10:24 PM
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I appreciate your input and hopefully get to drive a RWD converted car soon. I tend to be a bit more conservative with my judgement and really do think I can learn a lot by doing some more track events... (only two currently and only one in the 996TT) In your opinion do you think I could still learn as fast/safely if I convert me car? I've seriously considered doing this mod in the past. I know there are some very experienced drivers like yourself out there and I'd like to know what to expect if I go down this road.... My car in a straight line and in the turns now is confidence building and I think that makes me a bit better driver because I am able to commit to my lines. Would the RWD drive conversion feel "nervous/twitchy"? Would the car still feel as planted?
Alan, the beauty of your situation is you are just at the beginning of an unbelievable learning curve with your driving skills that will increase exponentially with each track event.
You are at the point that you still need to learn the track basics, threshold braking, heel toe downshift from 150mph, turn in and apexes, tracking out, etc.
the initial skills can be learned in any car but certainly most fun in the car you have now. again I repeat, everyone says the car is so good it is making you a good driver, thats bull**** or all the guys with great cars I teach would be good drivers and they are far from it.

learn the basics and improve your skills with your current car set up. you will then progress to turning off your PSM because it will start to hold you back at the track. at that point you will be ready for RWD. also try to get out in some lower hp RWD cars like 944's. they are fun and you learn alot about drifting, momentum, trail braking etc. then dial those skills into the TT.

You have the knowledge, skills, and reflexes to be a great driver (your MMA skills will help you believe it or not, they have for me!) you just need experience, it is not the car it is the driver.

go to the track more, experience many instructors and ride along with as many people as possible, this is on of the greatest experiences in the world!!

As for your car, IMHO these cars with more than 500+ hp (I also have the Protomotive package) AWD is a drawback in proper car power delivery and handling. with that kind of power the car plows and pushes far too much, your car will feel less twitchy, and more planted with power going to the rear wheels. with AWD the turn in points for cars with that kind of power just is not precise, at least not in my car (all my comments come from me and my car and my experience only, not repeating what others have said)

now the RWD conversion and improved handling has several assumptions. first that you have a proper LSD in the tranny (I like the Guard product) secondly that you have an upgraded suspension capable dialing in proper negative camber, and probably running R compound tires, corner balanced etc.
 

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Originally Posted by str8blst
I appreciate your input and hopefully get to drive a RWD converted car soon. I tend to be a bit more conservative with my judgement and really do think I can learn a lot by doing some more track events... (only two currently and only one in the 996TT) In your opinion do you think I could still learn as fast/safely if I convert me car? I've seriously considered doing this mod in the past. I know there are some very experienced drivers like yourself out there and I'd like to know what to expect if I go down this road.... My car in a straight line and in the turns now is confidence building and I think that makes me a bit better driver because I am able to commit to my lines. Would the RWD drive conversion feel "nervous/twitchy"? Would the car still feel as planted?
Alan it's all in the setup buddy... By just doing the full rwd conversion and leaving the stock diff, I doubt you will have traction issues, in my ex turbo I had NONE, meanwhile I didn't have your power but I did break over 490 whp and 516 rwtq..

To get the max out of your car and the RWD setup, an LSD would be IDEAL to add in to do it right... My car is planted, no need for awd or psm/pasm... The car generates so much mechanical grip with NO OVERSTEER especially snap oversteer.. Tons of people have seen me at the track, and I am pulling some pretty good times for trying out new setups and being out on new tires (well not now but my last 2 events) without the great experience of Tom and a few others out there...

930man Matt in his GT2 is running as fast as he did in his cup car, setup right it's far superior to AWD!
 

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Originally Posted by iLLM3
Dez I don't know man.. You must drive my car at our next track event we both attend.. With my tires and suspension setup, I cannot budge the rear end really, it is just planted and you wouldn't even know you are in a "scary" GT2 from the grip/gforces you can pull around corners on the STREET in backroads, let alone the track.

That's why I emphasized on the same platform. You have a GT2, if Porsche made an AWD GT2 using the same suspension geometry but in AWD form, not a chance the RWD GT2 could grip as well, same applies for the turbo.

Now I'm talking about GRIP ONLY! Turning, top end, etc will benefit the RWD. But you'll never match the 0-60 and overall grip on the track in RWD vs AWD. Who cares what is better, just driver what makes you feel happy.

And BTW I'm RWD now.
 
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Thanks for the input guys! I definately plan on doing some more DE/Track events. I got a chance to ride in a instructors 996 GT3 last year and he was doing thing with the car that I thought would be impossible. The way he carried speed in the turns was truly amazing and inspiring to say the least. I guess RWD conversion is back on the list of mods I may want to do. But not until after this season.... Thanks again Tom, Martin, heavy... this forum ROCKS!

BTW.. Tom I didn't know you trained! I bet your medical background helps you break down techniques that much better.... I have a chiropractor that I am teaching and he is able to use his medical knowledge to further understand moves and leverage points. It truly gives him a advantage from a learning prospective.....
 
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Originally Posted by str8blst
Thanks for the input guys! I definately plan on doing some more DE/Track events. I got a chance to ride in a instructors 996 GT3 last year and he was doing thing with the car that I thought would be impossible. The way he carried speed in the turns was truly amazing and inspiring to say the least. I guess RWD conversion is back on the list of mods I may want to do. But not until after this season.... Thanks again Tom, Martin, heavy... this forum ROCKS!

BTW.. Tom I didn't know you trained! I bet your medical background helps you break down techniques that much better.... I have a chiropractor that I am teaching and he is able to use his medical knowledge to further understand moves and leverage points. It truly gives him a advantage from a learning prospective.....

well OT but since I am a vascular surgeon, lets say I know how to cut of the blood supply in those carotid arteries and choke someone out fast!!
I operate on them weekly and seeing were they lay in relationship to the muscles etc does give for a deeper understanding of what submission holds need to do!! As you may guess I am not a fan of my arm being in an arm bar!!
 
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