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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 10:37 AM
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LOL oh wow,so im an *** hole now for calling you out on your bogus numbers,or did you get some sand up there in a parcticular body cavity?they just dont make sence , hence to why i questioned your post and asked you about your setup .like chris said we just want to know how , when all the rest of the people on here run out of fuel up that high big time.

mark made 685 on pump with his monster set up. and a nother freind with custom 20gs at 1 bar but down 604 . so you see what im saying?
 

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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 11:42 AM
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I think there is clearly a case of mis-communication brewing here.

unvmym3... I can assure you that the numbers on that car are not bogus, nor was there any manipulation to the dyno or the graphs. As I'm sure you know, it's pretty difficult to fudge the numbers on a dynojet vs. some of the other units out there. As it is, I won't work that way. Generally speaking, I really don't pay that much attention to the peak numbers... I pay attention to the quality of the curve and the percentage of gain I can attain on a particular vehicle from it's baseline pulls done under the same conditions, same dyno, etc.

There is no argument, and you are absolutely correct... the car was definately out of fuel, MAF and injector all at the same time. That is exactly why the car was backed down to around 580rwhp. I would never put a client out in a car that didn't have a margin of safety built into the tune. This car has been enjoyed to its fullest with zero reliability issues to date. That's a great thing.

I really hate the anonymity of the boards... if you guys were to meet, I'm sure you'd get along great... too much gets lost in these posts.

All the best,
 
Old Jul 7, 2008 | 11:54 AM
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tym ,you right perhaps i came off a bit brash,my bad but like you said you saw my point . thanks for posting just needed clarification.
 
Old Jul 7, 2008 | 01:17 PM
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I pay attention to the quality of the curve and the percentage of gain I can attain on a particular vehicle from it's baseline pulls done under the same conditions, same dyno, etc.
Couldn't agree more Tym. What did this car baseline at?
 
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Originally Posted by Tym Switzer
I think there is clearly a case of mis-communication brewing here.
With all that said I believe it would make more sense to release, if any, dyno graphs that reperesent the final product figures... it would avoid a lot miscommunication that you alluded to....
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 04:55 PM
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Tym, thanks for posting. I guess on all forums you have people who have questions and ask appropriately and the ones who just don't know how to be classy. Back on track....here is one more pic of my E and dk996tt's CGT, from today.
 
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 04:56 PM
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With all that said I believe it would make more sense to release, if any, dyno graphs that reperesent the final product figures... it would avoid a lot miscommunication that you alluded to....
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Mark, I can ask Tym about an as is dyno sheet and if not available I can see if Tym is up to a a dyno session with my set up.
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
With all that said I believe it would make more sense to release, if any, dyno graphs that reperesent the final product figures... it would avoid a lot miscommunication that you alluded to....
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Agreed. Just to be clear, I did not post that dyno sheet or ask that it be posted. I'm not interested in lofting numbers on dyno sheets to win over the hearts and minds of those who may buy our components or invest in our services. In the end, the cars have to perform... if they don't, then lofty dyno numbers mean nothing. I like to see real estate between the old curves and new.

This particular car baselined at around 385rwhp as most 996TT's do on our dyno. In fact, we just did another baseline on a 20K mile bone-stock 996TT and it also made 385 rwhp on pumpgas. The dyno is a tool, not an absolute indication of how a car may perform. I've seen many instances where the highest "peak number" car was not the best performing. There is certainly a difference between quantity and quality with dyno sheets as there is with most other things.

Okay... back to work.
 
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I read entire post and think it includes very good info, I certainly have questioned
dyno numbers myself in the past. This looks to be a ROCK SOLID set-up and is really
the basis for the system I have. In two very full seasons of many, many events and beating the heck out of my car, I have had no failures and not problems. These K24/18g's really do work. People are just learning of Switzer's very high tuning and fabrication cababilities. Most people that see his work directly feel it is THE BEST that you will see.

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The 24/18's make an amazing amount of power on the stock fuel system...I have seen it w/ my own eyes.

623 requires both a dangerous tune and a very generous dyno. However 580 w/ these turbos headers, exhuast and a 5 bar really is being done consistently by Todd and Tim now.
 
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Originally Posted by Tym Switzer
Agreed. Just to be clear, I did not post that dyno sheet or ask that it be posted. I'm not interested in lofting numbers on dyno sheets to win over the hearts and minds of those who may buy our components or invest in our services. In the end, the cars have to perform... if they don't, then lofty dyno numbers mean nothing. I like to see real estate between the old curves and new.

This particular car baselined at around 385rwhp as most 996TT's do on our dyno. In fact, we just did another baseline on a 20K mile bone-stock 996TT and it also made 385 rwhp on pumpgas. The dyno is a tool, not an absolute indication of how a car may perform. I've seen many instances where the highest "peak number" car was not the best performing. There is certainly a difference between quantity and quality with dyno sheets as there is with most other things.

Okay... back to work.
tym, my biggest questions is how much boost was the 623 pull on? and what was the correction factor?

All the stock 996tt's i have dynoed at my shop in RWD have made the same as your's 385-389 whp all depends if they have bald tires they make more power. so it sounds like our dyno's are right in the same range.

My car (24/18g's) 15-16psi makes about 570rwhp and is running low 13's AFR till redline/. i backed it down to about 13-14psi it makes 540 but runs about 12.2 at the sniffer.

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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 09:07 PM
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I read entire post and think it includes very good info, I certainly have questioned
dyno numbers myself in the past. This looks to be a ROCK SOLID set-up and is really
the basis for the system I have. In two very full seasons of many, many events and beating the heck out of my car, I have had no failures and not problems. These K24/18g's really do work. People are just learning of Switzer's very high tuning and fabrication cababilities. Most people that see his work directly feel it is THE BEST that you will see.

Best,

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Well written! I was merely posting what I was told and did not mean to rock the proverbial boat. I simply wanted to post some pics, that I thought were pretty cool.
 
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tym, my biggest questions is how much boost was the 623 pull on? and what was the correction factor?

All the stock 996tt's i have dynoed at my shop in RWD have made the same as your's 385-389 whp all depends if they have bald tires they make more power. so it sounds like our dyno's are right in the same range.

My car (24/18g's) 15-16psi makes about 570rwhp and is running low 13's AFR till redline/. i backed it down to about 13-14psi it makes 540 but runs about 12.2 at the sniffer.

Chris Green
i was curious on that aswell.
 
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i was curious on that aswell.
+1 same question here
 
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Bump for a answer from Tym please.
 


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