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Wow....
First of all guys...
FVD DID NOT SELL THE UNIT
FVD DID NOT INSTALL THE UNIT
FVD DID SEE OR REMOVE THE UNIT
I have nothing to do with the sale, install, uninstall or refund so get off my ***... I am telling you the facts as they were told to me by Champion Motorsports. I have said nothing about the ones for the other cars (I had one on my M3 Conv. for gods sakes). So you guys need to chill. I am telling you the experience one of our customers experienced with the kit and trying to prevent someone from losing thousands of dollars if their turbos ever had to be replaced. I am guessing you work for Gruppe M Technik as you sound very defensive... I wonder why the person who sold him the intake felt the need to refund him his money AND pay over $8,000 for new turbos if it wasn't the intake he sold him
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I will post "Don't Do It" everytime if it is posted 1,000 times (for the 996TT), because I would rather upset that company than have someone loose thousands of dollars on new turbos...esp. since the system does nothing more than look good...
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First of all guys...
FVD DID NOT SELL THE UNIT
FVD DID NOT INSTALL THE UNIT
FVD DID SEE OR REMOVE THE UNIT
I have nothing to do with the sale, install, uninstall or refund so get off my ***... I am telling you the facts as they were told to me by Champion Motorsports. I have said nothing about the ones for the other cars (I had one on my M3 Conv. for gods sakes). So you guys need to chill. I am telling you the experience one of our customers experienced with the kit and trying to prevent someone from losing thousands of dollars if their turbos ever had to be replaced. I am guessing you work for Gruppe M Technik as you sound very defensive... I wonder why the person who sold him the intake felt the need to refund him his money AND pay over $8,000 for new turbos if it wasn't the intake he sold him
. I will post "Don't Do It" everytime if it is posted 1,000 times (for the 996TT), because I would rather upset that company than have someone loose thousands of dollars on new turbos...esp. since the system does nothing more than look good...
Evan
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I will post "Don't Do It" everytime if it is posted 1,000 times (for the 996TT), because I would rather upset that company than have someone loose thousands of dollars on new turbos...esp. since the system does nothing more than look good...
Let's not forget the purpose of this thread, informative information - I just want to make sure nobody is misled by the statements you are making Evan. Let's just get all the facts out of what everyone knows (Both your experiences as well as mine and technik)
I am not currently sponsored and have no direct relation with GruppeM - I just happen to be a loyal customer of their incredible products. Having been involved with the aftermarket tuning industry for 8 years now, there are VERY few companies I'm willing to put my name out for - GruppeM is definitely one of them.
As for Dyno's, there are various ones out their for the BMW products, I'm sure there are some for the Porsche avail...
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Originally posted by tuningwerks
Hey Evan,
Let's not forget the purpose of this thread, informative information - I just want to make sure nobody is misled by the statements you are making Evan. Let's just get all the facts out of what everyone knows (Both your experiences as well as mine and technik)
I am not currently sponsored and have no direct relation with GruppeM - I just happen to be a loyal customer of their incredible products. Having been involved with the aftermarket tuning industry for 8 years now, there are VERY few companies I'm willing to put my name out for - GruppeM is definitely one of them.
As for Dyno's, there are various ones out their for the BMW products, I'm sure there are some for the Porsche avail...
Hey Evan,
Let's not forget the purpose of this thread, informative information - I just want to make sure nobody is misled by the statements you are making Evan. Let's just get all the facts out of what everyone knows (Both your experiences as well as mine and technik)
I am not currently sponsored and have no direct relation with GruppeM - I just happen to be a loyal customer of their incredible products. Having been involved with the aftermarket tuning industry for 8 years now, there are VERY few companies I'm willing to put my name out for - GruppeM is definitely one of them.
As for Dyno's, there are various ones out their for the BMW products, I'm sure there are some for the Porsche avail...
As for dynos...I am a firm believer you will never seen more than 4-5HP for any type of air intake system (weather it be a BMC filter, Gruppe M, cone filter, whatever).
It does look nice tho
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I was fortunate enough to have had dinner with Mr. Ogosi (sp), the president of Gruppe M, about a year ago. I also know numerous people with his products on their cars, primarily NSX's. I have never heard a single complaint about the quality of the products nor have I ever heard of a component failure related to one, and I can't imagine this individual knowingly producing and selling a product that would cause damage as described. I have to believe that it was either a defective unit or it was installed improperly.
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I would not put one of those in my car if you payed me
DO NOT DO IT!!!!!!!
DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT INSTALL THIS ITEM!!!!
3 different quotes where you state your opinion on this item. Everyone is entitled to hear the truth, granted as I said that people are not misled. These statements are pretty harsh and misleading, especially considering you've heard of one bad experience with the item, while serveral people on this thread alone have attested to the quality of the product.
Enough said, let the people decide!!
(Albert steps off of his soapbox)Last edited by tuningwerks; Aug 20, 2004 at 05:44 AM.
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just came across this. Thought you guys would be interested.
http://www.sp-power.com/projectcar_porsche_996.htm
It has the group M intake that you guys are talking about.
Peter
http://www.sp-power.com/projectcar_porsche_996.htm
It has the group M intake that you guys are talking about.
Peter
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Originally posted by tuningwerks
3 different quotes where you state your opinion on this item. Everyone is entitled to hear the truth, granted as I said that people are not misled. These statements are pretty harsh and misleading, especially considering you've heard of one bad experience with the item, while serveral people on this thread alone have attested to the quality of the product.
Enough said, let the people decide!! (Albert steps off of his soapbox)
3 different quotes where you state your opinion on this item. Everyone is entitled to hear the truth, granted as I said that people are not misled. These statements are pretty harsh and misleading, especially considering you've heard of one bad experience with the item, while serveral people on this thread alone have attested to the quality of the product.
Enough said, let the people decide!!
(Albert steps off of his soapbox)
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Enough of this crapy I am too old for this Evan
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I will offer my $0.02 here..........
As I understood it, the problematic element in Xico's car was not the intake in the engine compartment, but rather, the intake piping (CF) that is replaced beneath and in front of the engine. It is a long serpentine piece that has a larger cross section than the factory plastic piece.
You can see this piece if you go under your car. My understanding is that it has some sort of hole or crack in it that allowed dirt from the road and wheels to find its way into the piping thus leading to the turbos. Any small debris will wreak havoc to the turbos.
In order to install or replace this piping, the engine must be removed from the car. There is no other way.
Incidentally, RUF makes a version of this larger intake piping albeit from a more resilent material than CF. Interesting.........
Hope this helps to clarify things a bit. Again, it was my understanding upon speaking with Orlando.
As I understood it, the problematic element in Xico's car was not the intake in the engine compartment, but rather, the intake piping (CF) that is replaced beneath and in front of the engine. It is a long serpentine piece that has a larger cross section than the factory plastic piece.
You can see this piece if you go under your car. My understanding is that it has some sort of hole or crack in it that allowed dirt from the road and wheels to find its way into the piping thus leading to the turbos. Any small debris will wreak havoc to the turbos.
In order to install or replace this piping, the engine must be removed from the car. There is no other way.
Incidentally, RUF makes a version of this larger intake piping albeit from a more resilent material than CF. Interesting.........
Hope this helps to clarify things a bit. Again, it was my understanding upon speaking with Orlando.
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KPV,
That is really interesting. The only 996tt/GT2 carbon fiber unit piping that know is the one made by S Car Go. And no, it is not designed to be beat with a hammer. You have to lower the motor, but not remove it to make the installation. The damage you described is possible. I have seen it happen two times. It aways happens when someone changes their suspension and the suspension installer does not insatll the suspension correctly. This allows the suspension to rotate (which it is not suppose to or designed to) and break or crack the carbon fiber piece.
There is specific warnings about things that need to be done and checked to insure his can never happen. These instructions are on the carbon fiber intake installation instructions. Did the people who installed the intake follow the instructions or was the suspension changed after by someone who really doesn't know? It has to be one or the other.
That is really interesting. The only 996tt/GT2 carbon fiber unit piping that know is the one made by S Car Go. And no, it is not designed to be beat with a hammer. You have to lower the motor, but not remove it to make the installation. The damage you described is possible. I have seen it happen two times. It aways happens when someone changes their suspension and the suspension installer does not insatll the suspension correctly. This allows the suspension to rotate (which it is not suppose to or designed to) and break or crack the carbon fiber piece.
There is specific warnings about things that need to be done and checked to insure his can never happen. These instructions are on the carbon fiber intake installation instructions. Did the people who installed the intake follow the instructions or was the suspension changed after by someone who really doesn't know? It has to be one or the other.
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Originally posted by KPV
I will offer my $0.02 here..........
As I understood it, the problematic element in Xico's car was not the intake in the engine compartment, but rather, the intake piping (CF) that is replaced beneath and in front of the engine. It is a long serpentine piece that has a larger cross section than the factory plastic piece.
I will offer my $0.02 here..........
As I understood it, the problematic element in Xico's car was not the intake in the engine compartment, but rather, the intake piping (CF) that is replaced beneath and in front of the engine. It is a long serpentine piece that has a larger cross section than the factory plastic piece.
Originally posted by KPV
Incidentally, RUF makes a version of this larger intake piping albeit from a more resilent material than CF. Interesting.........
Incidentally, RUF makes a version of this larger intake piping albeit from a more resilent material than CF. Interesting.........
Evan
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Originally posted by cjv
The only 996tt/GT2 carbon fiber unit piping that know is the one made by S Car Go.
The only 996tt/GT2 carbon fiber unit piping that know is the one made by S Car Go.
http://www.t-t-p.de/english/intake_carbon.php
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It's my understanding that unless you upgrade the intake hoses from the intake down to the turbo you can only a finite amount of air into the turbos limited by the limited I.D. of the factory hoses.
Seems like a better solution is to go with the BMC or K&N Filter and then upgrade to the bigger silicone hoses that will flow more air to the turbos assuming you have modified the engine and/or turbos to be at the point to need the additional air.
Seems like the big hp guys are able to use the stock airbox assy.
I see that EVO doesn't go with a different airbox on the GT package.. I hear that now with the bigger hoses there is too much air for the stock injectors on some applications so additional upgrades are now necessary to keep it all together...
Mod City!!!
Seems like a better solution is to go with the BMC or K&N Filter and then upgrade to the bigger silicone hoses that will flow more air to the turbos assuming you have modified the engine and/or turbos to be at the point to need the additional air.
Seems like the big hp guys are able to use the stock airbox assy.
I see that EVO doesn't go with a different airbox on the GT package.. I hear that now with the bigger hoses there is too much air for the stock injectors on some applications so additional upgrades are now necessary to keep it all together...
Mod City!!!
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Originally posted by johnnie
It's my understanding that unless you upgrade the intake hoses from the intake down to the turbo you can only a finite amount of air into the turbos limited by the limited I.D. of the factory hoses.
Seems like a better solution is to go with the BMC or K&N Filter and then upgrade to the bigger silicone hoses that will flow more air to the turbos assuming you have modified the engine and/or turbos to be at the point to need the additional air.
Seems like the big hp guys are able to use the stock airbox assy.
I see that EVO doesn't go with a different airbox on the GT package.. I hear that now with the bigger hoses there is too much air for the stock injectors on some applications so additional upgrades are now necessary to keep it all together...
Mod City!!!
It's my understanding that unless you upgrade the intake hoses from the intake down to the turbo you can only a finite amount of air into the turbos limited by the limited I.D. of the factory hoses.
Seems like a better solution is to go with the BMC or K&N Filter and then upgrade to the bigger silicone hoses that will flow more air to the turbos assuming you have modified the engine and/or turbos to be at the point to need the additional air.
Seems like the big hp guys are able to use the stock airbox assy.
I see that EVO doesn't go with a different airbox on the GT package.. I hear that now with the bigger hoses there is too much air for the stock injectors on some applications so additional upgrades are now necessary to keep it all together...
Mod City!!!
Craig