Type 1 and Type 2 Over revs
#16
10-18-2008, 11:51 AM
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Socal
Age: 45
Posts: 1,215
Rep Power: 80 
Thanks for the information. I had the pass on this one. I Drove again today its feels rough - am not taking any chances. Also the dealer would not pay for the things PPI identified (busted CV boots,brake flush etc.) Also would not let me do a compression /leakdown.
Its very disappointing . As far as i can tell majority of 996tt are not well taken care off. I have to look so hard to find a good car. I spent close to $800 on 2 ppi on 2 cars .
I think i am going to give this 03 Seal gray car in AZ a shot and then that would be it for some time.
Its very disappointing . As far as i can tell majority of 996tt are not well taken care off. I have to look so hard to find a good car. I spent close to $800 on 2 ppi on 2 cars .
I think i am going to give this 03 Seal gray car in AZ a shot and then that would be it for some time.
I would definitely have a discussion with the 'older guy tech'. (Although it could have been the guys loading it on the truck.)
As far as 'in writing'... the ONLY entity that can tell you it isn't a problem would be the people paying any warranty claim. No dealer, mechanic, or Porsche can tell you what the third party warranty might decide... I suppose if they give you a letter saying 'it is fine' and the third party warranty fails to pay, you can sue the people that signed the letter... so good luck getting a letter.
I am concerned about the very recent type 2s, and the unknown nature of how they occurred (was the engine even warm?)
If it was 304, and it happened 100 hours ago, I would say 'no worries'...
But I am super cautious.
As far as 'in writing'... the ONLY entity that can tell you it isn't a problem would be the people paying any warranty claim. No dealer, mechanic, or Porsche can tell you what the third party warranty might decide... I suppose if they give you a letter saying 'it is fine' and the third party warranty fails to pay, you can sue the people that signed the letter... so good luck getting a letter.
I am concerned about the very recent type 2s, and the unknown nature of how they occurred (was the engine even warm?)
If it was 304, and it happened 100 hours ago, I would say 'no worries'...
But I am super cautious.
#17
10-18-2008, 01:31 PM
You are ok. I'm willing to bet that no one on here has a 996TT with 0 type IIs except maybe those with a tiptronic.
The #s translate to ignition cycles. I'm not sure what the math is but 304 type 2 might be a few seconds total (curious if anyone has the calculation to translate over-revs into seconds).
From my understanding the Type 2s are not necessarily over-rev situations all the time - could also be a hard hit on the rev-limiter.
The #s translate to ignition cycles. I'm not sure what the math is but 304 type 2 might be a few seconds total (curious if anyone has the calculation to translate over-revs into seconds).
From my understanding the Type 2s are not necessarily over-rev situations all the time - could also be a hard hit on the rev-limiter.
#19
10-18-2008, 02:02 PM
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Socal
Age: 45
Posts: 1,215
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Thanks for the info. I think you are right. But for now this car is not for me due to other reasons. I am seeing one next week in michigan, but will keep in mind all the info provided here.
Also how important are leakdown tests on a low miles 18 k car?
Also how important are leakdown tests on a low miles 18 k car?
You are ok. I'm willing to bet that no one on here has a 996TT with 0 type IIs except maybe those with a tiptronic.
The #s translate to ignition cycles. I'm not sure what the math is but 304 type 2 might be a few seconds total (curious if anyone has the calculation to translate over-revs into seconds).
From my understanding the Type 2s are not necessarily over-rev situations all the time - could also be a hard hit on the rev-limiter.
The #s translate to ignition cycles. I'm not sure what the math is but 304 type 2 might be a few seconds total (curious if anyone has the calculation to translate over-revs into seconds).
From my understanding the Type 2s are not necessarily over-rev situations all the time - could also be a hard hit on the rev-limiter.
#20
10-18-2008, 02:05 PM
Once you own one and get on it a little, youre going to realize how easy it is to get to redline especially in 1st gear. Those numbers seem low. Also, youre buying a car with almost 20k on it so its going to need some wear n tear items as expected. Expect that any 911tt you PPI will have some overrevs as well as some minor work need. Im sure that the majority of us would need something taken care of if we all PPI'd our cars today.
#21
10-18-2008, 04:07 PM
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Socal
Age: 45
Posts: 1,215
Rep Power: 80 Once you own one and get on it a little, youre going to realize how easy it is to get to redline especially in 1st gear. Those numbers seem low. Also, youre buying a car with almost 20k on it so its going to need some wear n tear items as expected. Expect that any 911tt you PPI will have some overrevs as well as some minor work need. Im sure that the majority of us would need something taken care of if we all PPI'd our cars today.
Also there are no records for the 15 k service , oil change etc. Loeber would not share that information with me for privacy reasons.
I already found another 18k 02 clean seal gray...so time to move on and work with people who are willing to be fair.
Last edited by vbmw335; 10-18-2008 at 04:10 PM.
#23
10-19-2008, 10:34 AM
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Socal
Age: 45
Posts: 1,215
Rep Power: 80 2001 PORSCHE 911 TURBO Silver Exterior,Gray interior
WP0AB29931S688058
This car has the following issues:
Busted front CV boots on both sides
Possible front axle replacement
No brake fluid flush done as a part of 15 K inspection
305 Type 2 Overrev
Aftermarket SSK (was told it was B and M)
All 4 Tires are 7 years old and Porsche highly recommends to replace this as the rubber compound could loose its properties
The total Porsche Bill to get all these taken care off including 15K missed service is $6600. The dealer is Loeber. Please PM me for full PPI inspection data and the bills.
The good:
Great overall cosmetic condition inside out . The best i have seen so far.
#24
10-19-2008, 12:30 PM
Here's a little hint-
When a Porsche dealer makes a note of "aftermarket shifter" it sets the stage (and put it in the record) for any future second gear pop out issues to be blamed on the mod.
Porsche has this detailed TSB right up where they claim the reduced shift time of the aftermarket SSK doesn't allwo the synchros to work, resulting in gear damage. They go through some tortured argument that the Porsche SSK is OK, but not aftermarket.
Just FYI. One reason to avoid CPOs if you have any mods.
When a Porsche dealer makes a note of "aftermarket shifter" it sets the stage (and put it in the record) for any future second gear pop out issues to be blamed on the mod.
Porsche has this detailed TSB right up where they claim the reduced shift time of the aftermarket SSK doesn't allwo the synchros to work, resulting in gear damage. They go through some tortured argument that the Porsche SSK is OK, but not aftermarket.
Just FYI. One reason to avoid CPOs if you have any mods.
#25
05-06-2010, 12:07 PM
Just spoke to the dealer, where i'm inquiring about a 996 TT and here's there info:
Type 1: 27,409 since last ignition
Type 2: 2,825 since last ignition
Total Hours: 984.8
What are your thoughts people, this car has 25k miles on it?
Type 1: 27,409 since last ignition
Type 2: 2,825 since last ignition
Total Hours: 984.8
What are your thoughts people, this car has 25k miles on it?
#28
05-06-2010, 04:57 PM
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Location: Athens
Age: 47
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300 range 2 ignitions are not much...Dont worry about it...If that was your only problem go ahead and buy the car...
#29
05-06-2010, 05:57 PM
Looks like it was chipped. Based on 7000 rpm, the amount of time spent in type 1 would equate to approximately 78 seconds which is about dozen or so 60-130 pulls or some other performance measurement.