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Old Dec 10, 2008 | 11:59 AM
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Talk to Todd @ Protomotive. He will inform you of the benefit of OEM headers regardless of power level.
 
Old Dec 10, 2008 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by roadsterdoc
cjv, this is not gasket matching. What we are talking about is grinding away the excess weld material in the stock headers (there is a lot of it!). There are threads here and on Rennlist started by Kevin (UMW) describing the whole process.

Porting the inlets of the flange itself (gasket matching) would take a remarkable amount of work and many bits as it is very hard stainless steel. But since you mentioned it, I was surprised to see how much smaller the flange inlets are compared to the size of the gasket. If it was intentional for the reason you stated then it makes sense. Do you have any data to support that info? I only ask because match porting is a common practice in racing.
It is well documented in some books. Now I will have to go back and get this information for you.

In English, their is a slight step where the top of the head meets the top of the exhaust. You do not want to smooth out this step. What occurs, without this step is the sound harmonics in the exhaust travel back through your valve train resulting in a loss of some power.
 
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Originally Posted by cjv
It is well documented in some books. Now I will have to go back and get this information for you.

In English, their is a slight step where the top of the head meets the top of the exhaust. You do not want to smooth out this step. What occurs, without this step is the sound harmonics in the exhaust travel back through your valve train resulting in a loss of some power.
The author is A. Graham Bell. He has some books out. Modern Engine Tuning, Turbo Engine Tuning, etc. I am not sure if the turbo one is the exact name. Anyway, in one of those books he spends some time explaining what I was talking about above.
 
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Absolutely correct.

Originally Posted by unvmym3
it helped on my setup up top and also helped my spooling.
 
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so what is the consensus? Are ported K24 stock headers the best bang for the buck? or are there other aftermarket alternatives that might be better and at a semi-reasonable price?
 
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so what is the consensus? Are ported K24 stock headers the best bang for the buck? or are there other aftermarket alternatives that might be better and at a semi-reasonable price?
Divexxtreme's old car used ported stock headers, so if they work for him, they are probably good enough for most. I went with aftermarket headers, but they were included with a kit I bought. If I had to do it again, I'd just port my OEM headers.

BTW, OEM headers are all the same. There was no difference between k16 or k24 headers.
 
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i have a set for sale cuase i switched to external wastegate setup their ported and polised and swain coated .if anyone is interested . i will post them in the for sale section soon.
 
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Originally Posted by cjv
The author is A. Graham Bell. He has some books out. Modern Engine Tuning, Turbo Engine Tuning, etc. I am not sure if the turbo one is the exact name. Anyway, in one of those books he spends some time explaining what I was talking about above.
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Chad, I bought this book back is 2003, I think, after asking you the name. It's a very good reference guide.

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Old Dec 10, 2008 | 08:27 PM
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I have my set off now too.

So what does "Polishing" do. That is the inside I would assume. Just less resistance?
 
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Originally Posted by Adam Bowles
BTW, OEM headers are all the same. There was no difference between k16 or k24 headers.
Wow, are you 110% sure about that?!?! I was always under the impression that they were different between the k16 and k24 cars. I just learned something, but can you confirm for sure? Thanks for the info!
 
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adam is right they are the same .
 
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K24's (on the X50 or Turbo S) just have the larger turbos, bigger intercoolers....and that's about it.....except the S has the ceramic brakes too. Headers are the same for both.
 
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There is no difference between headers on K16 and K24 cars. The headers are exactly the same.
 
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Headers are the same for a K16 or K24... ditto! As far as porting... I didn't want to go crazy. I think Porsche has spent good money on R & D... so I just cleaned up the lower flanges where the factory header bolts to the turbo. There was a lot of excess weld in that flange so I spent some time cleaning/opening it up. I probably opened it up another 15% to 20%. I figure that has to help feed/spool up the turbos. As far as noticing a difference...???
 
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I've ported many sets for these cars and everyone was happy with the way they spool.
 


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