GT3 vs TT
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Drive em' like you stole em', if you don't track them you'll never know how they stack up against the other guys!! Last weekend I drove against a built Cobra(Mustang), Supra(700hp), M3, STi(400hp) and other misc. vehicles..Nice to compare cornering speeds of all these on the track at once..
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By this logic...
Originally posted by collin996tt
Doesn't that tell you you're learning to race in a car that has way more power and weight than you can manage? The power is preventing you from learning to developing your skills in the corners. You'll never learn to keep pace properly with PSM on. The TT straightline power corrupts the novice driver.
Doesn't that tell you you're learning to race in a car that has way more power and weight than you can manage? The power is preventing you from learning to developing your skills in the corners. You'll never learn to keep pace properly with PSM on. The TT straightline power corrupts the novice driver.
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With cars like the various iterations of the Radical ,etc., why is there even a need for " trackabilty " of cars like GT2, GT3, C-GT, Enzo, 360 CS,, etc. these days and the associated angnst over street / track set-up compromises ? They are all weight pigs and compromised as they are sold and engineered as streetable cars . Use one the above cars for polishing, Armor Fending , 19 inching ,showing off at the trendy club , if you must and keep the dedicated track car at the paddock where you can thrash it and replace it .
There's nothing like the emotional and financial joy of "driving a car like you stole it" , and the relatively modest cost of a track day car will give you that feeling.
There's nothing like the emotional and financial joy of "driving a car like you stole it" , and the relatively modest cost of a track day car will give you that feeling.
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Re: By this logic...
Originally posted by Adrift
By this logic, shouldn't we all be learning to drive on the track in Miata's?
By this logic, shouldn't we all be learning to drive on the track in Miata's?
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Originally posted by johnnie
But oh the joy of passing them everywhere else?
Priceless.
But oh the joy of passing them everywhere else?
Priceless.
But it's not due to driver skill on the track isn't it?
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Originally posted by rockitman
No need to mod the engine. It is already race tuned with titanium con rods, shortened piston heads, lightened valves, GT1 crankshaft and a race breed dry sump oil pump so that oil startvation will not become an issue under repeated lateral g loads. I wiould not touch the motor internally, nor do I think it's necessary unless you drag race. You can add 12hp with a good aftermaket exhaust like Europipe or get a complete package from Cargraphic which includes re-mapped ecu, equal length header and 200 cell cats...I believe that is supposed to be good for almost 25hp....Hope this helps
No need to mod the engine. It is already race tuned with titanium con rods, shortened piston heads, lightened valves, GT1 crankshaft and a race breed dry sump oil pump so that oil startvation will not become an issue under repeated lateral g loads. I wiould not touch the motor internally, nor do I think it's necessary unless you drag race. You can add 12hp with a good aftermaket exhaust like Europipe or get a complete package from Cargraphic which includes re-mapped ecu, equal length header and 200 cell cats...I believe that is supposed to be good for almost 25hp....Hope this helps
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Originally posted by Mike (La Jolla)
I have not driven a GT3, but I second the opinion that this choice depends on your skill as a driver. Particularly since you are not using this car as a daily driver. At my VERY low level of skill, I would prefer not to be on a track without PSM. I’ll take the weight penalty. I cannot tell you how many times PSM has kept me on the track. I remember going into turn 3 at the big track at Willow Springs, too hot, braking too late … Anyway the ‘hand of GOD’ took over the car and corrected my silly driving. I remember the instructor, a BMW guy, saying something like ‘Wow’. DSC doesn’t hold a candle to PSM. I suspect that a skilled driver can probably get the GT3 around most tracks faster than a 996TT, but that may depend on the length of the straights.
I have not driven a GT3, but I second the opinion that this choice depends on your skill as a driver. Particularly since you are not using this car as a daily driver. At my VERY low level of skill, I would prefer not to be on a track without PSM. I’ll take the weight penalty. I cannot tell you how many times PSM has kept me on the track. I remember going into turn 3 at the big track at Willow Springs, too hot, braking too late … Anyway the ‘hand of GOD’ took over the car and corrected my silly driving. I remember the instructor, a BMW guy, saying something like ‘Wow’. DSC doesn’t hold a candle to PSM. I suspect that a skilled driver can probably get the GT3 around most tracks faster than a 996TT, but that may depend on the length of the straights.
I was at the Button Willow BMWCCA school two weeks ago, and I can tell you that I have no doubt that with PSM on I would have been way faster than I was, but then, who's driving the car? me or the computer? at Talledega, if you leave PSM on, the front will pull you through at a much higher speed and cover up a student's lack of talent. With PSM off, I had to keep yelling at my self to "don't lift! don't lift!"
Willow Springs Plus PSM is the worst way to learn to drive the Turbo possible. I would suggest that you sign up for a BMWCCA school the next time that they do Button Willow and learn to drive with the training wheels off. At Button Willow, it's flat and got nothing to hit. If you go off, you'll just have a dirty car. But in the end, I guarantee that you'll learn way more than keeping the training wheels on.
Dial down the speed, turn off PSM, listen to the car, and learn.
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Maybe he had PSM off. It will reactivate itself in the instance of crazy slip angles.
Some people like to learn leaving PSM on, using its activation to tell them that they are not driving smoothly; kind of like a safe wrist-slap.
I don't think there is an obvious answer to PSM on or off for learning, just your own risk tolerance and goals.
Some people like to learn leaving PSM on, using its activation to tell them that they are not driving smoothly; kind of like a safe wrist-slap.
I don't think there is an obvious answer to PSM on or off for learning, just your own risk tolerance and goals.
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Originally posted by Adrift
Some people like to learn leaving PSM on, using its activation to tell them that they are not driving smoothly; kind of like a safe wrist-slap.
Some people like to learn leaving PSM on, using its activation to tell them that they are not driving smoothly; kind of like a safe wrist-slap.
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Originally posted by stuka
Why are you driving so far over your head that you need PSM? I have been doing DE's for two and a half years. I started with driving E46 M3's with DSC off, then now with Turbo with PSM off. If PSM is interfering and saving you, you are going too fast for your own good. All teh A and B guys that I know (myself included) drive with traction control off, it's the only way that you will get better.
I was at the Button Willow BMWCCA school two weeks ago, and I can tell you that I have no doubt that with PSM on I would have been way faster than I was, but then, who's driving the car? me or the computer? at Talledega, if you leave PSM on, the front will pull you through at a much higher speed and cover up a student's lack of talent. With PSM off, I had to keep yelling at my self to "don't lift! don't lift!"
Willow Springs Plus PSM is the worst way to learn to drive the Turbo possible. I would suggest that you sign up for a BMWCCA school the next time that they do Button Willow and learn to drive with the training wheels off. At Button Willow, it's flat and got nothing to hit. If you go off, you'll just have a dirty car. But in the end, I guarantee that you'll learn way more than keeping the training wheels on.
Dial down the speed, turn off PSM, listen to the car, and learn.
Why are you driving so far over your head that you need PSM? I have been doing DE's for two and a half years. I started with driving E46 M3's with DSC off, then now with Turbo with PSM off. If PSM is interfering and saving you, you are going too fast for your own good. All teh A and B guys that I know (myself included) drive with traction control off, it's the only way that you will get better.
I was at the Button Willow BMWCCA school two weeks ago, and I can tell you that I have no doubt that with PSM on I would have been way faster than I was, but then, who's driving the car? me or the computer? at Talledega, if you leave PSM on, the front will pull you through at a much higher speed and cover up a student's lack of talent. With PSM off, I had to keep yelling at my self to "don't lift! don't lift!"
Willow Springs Plus PSM is the worst way to learn to drive the Turbo possible. I would suggest that you sign up for a BMWCCA school the next time that they do Button Willow and learn to drive with the training wheels off. At Button Willow, it's flat and got nothing to hit. If you go off, you'll just have a dirty car. But in the end, I guarantee that you'll learn way more than keeping the training wheels on.
Dial down the speed, turn off PSM, listen to the car, and learn.
Thanks for the advice. I have been driving both Willow Springs and Buttonwillow for nearly 5 years now. I intend to leave PSM on when I am on either track.