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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by N77NXC
Nice power bro!

Tony: Is there anyway to get the A/F ratio a little bit more stable, or is this normal for P-cars? I was speaking with Edwin and typically you want that curve to be straight as possible at WOT. However, I've never tuned a P-car and do not know if this is typical due to boost.
Getting a solid a/f is not as easy as it is with the LS1. I know Mike @ G-Force and Jayson at MTI have it nailed down to the T with HP-Tuners and LS1Edit, but the me7.1 or whatever we have in the 996TT which has over 1000+ fuel maps that have to be edited. This is compared to the VE Table, Low Octane Table, and High Octane Table on the LS1. They factor in EVERY variable. Yes you can change them, but to make it a flat line would be almost impossible.

If only it were as easy as the LS1 world Keep in mind I say this not to mock anyone, because my previous car was the 4th 8second LS1 in America 4 years ago. My brother still has a MTI LS2 427 w/ a 300 shot so we still have to play around with the tuning a lot on her.
 
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Originally Posted by Powell
Getting a solid a/f is not as easy as it is with the LS1. I know Mike @ G-Force and Jayson at MTI have it nailed down to the T with HP-Tuners and LS1Edit, but the me7.1 or whatever we have in the 996TT which has over 1000+ fuel maps that have to be edited. This is compared to the VE Table, Low Octane Table, and High Octane Table on the LS1. They factor in EVERY variable. Yes you can change them, but to make it a flat line would be almost impossible.

If only it were as easy as the LS1 world Keep in mind I say this not to mock anyone, because my previous car was the 4th 8second LS1 in America 4 years ago. My brother still has a MTI LS2 427 w/ a 300 shot so we still have to play around with the tuning a lot on her.
I gotcha. I figured it wasn't quite as easy but was curious to see what might be causing the fluctuation.

I tune my LS2 via HPT and its a breeze.
 
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Originally Posted by N77NXC
Nice power bro!

Tony: Is there anyway to get the A/F ratio a little bit more stable, or is this normal for P-cars? I was speaking with Edwin and typically you want that curve to be straight as possible at WOT. However, I've never tuned a P-car and do not know if this is typical due to boost.
Hi-

Steve datalogged the car through the diagnostic port. The af being recorded through the ecu is much smoother and more stable.

For what its worth, the af graph above is more stable then 95%+ non-epl 996tt's we have dyno'ed here in the shop.
 
Old Mar 16, 2009 | 06:41 PM
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Does this count?



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looks great, Edwin!

now enjoy!
 
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CONGRATS TONY !!! I know your tuning is spot on.... just can not account for used cars and equipment. Murphy's Law.
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Originally Posted by Tony@epl
If smoothing was on 1 it would be 510 .

Congrats Edwin.
Tony, thanks for your help and your post-purchase help/assistance.

Originally Posted by audikp
looks great, Edwin!

now enjoy!
Originally Posted by adam699
Congrats... That took a while. but looks like it was worth it.
Thanks guys
 
Old Mar 16, 2009 | 10:34 PM
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WoW Edwin,
Great numbers....!!!!
I am impressed!

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Originally Posted by TXGold
Sweet!!! Congratulations. Looks like it should be up and running strong for this weekend. Looking forward to meeting you in Mexico with my K16's
I know it'd be a fun run... my buddy Jason with the Corvette (N77NXC) told me about you and your runs together

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WoW Edwin,
Great numbers....!!!!
I am impressed!

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Thanks Stacy

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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony@epl
Hi-

Steve datalogged the car through the diagnostic port. The af being recorded through the ecu is much smoother and more stable.

For what its worth, the af graph above is more stable then 95%+ non-epl 996tt's we have dyno'ed here in the shop.
Sounds good man. Great work on the tune!

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CONGRATS TONY !!! I know your tuning is spot on.... just can not account for used cars and equipment. Murphy's Law.
Robert
...so you are saying it would be better if the car was brand new??
 
Old Mar 19, 2009 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PrecisionPorsch
I know it'd be a fun run... my buddy Jason with the Corvette (N77NXC) told me about you and your runs together

edwin
Haha! Jason had a fast car and the first time we ran, he beat me, but looking at the time slip, I noticed after a subsequent run, that I was getting close to his ET and Trap both. So about 6 months later I see his 'vette one car behind me and in the other lane at LSMSP. After pissing off three rednecks with about 8 teeth between them, I got Jason up there thinking I was gonna get the best of him this time. I think I had race gas this time and a drop-in filter, and figured it would be enough to atleast run neck and neck. Well he jumped out a car right off the bat and finished 5+ cars in front. So when I pulled around to the shack to grab my "horrible" time slip I didn't even look at it. He pulled up to me laughing that he'd had a cam and other things done since then and had just ran a 10.8 or something. I then looked down and saw a 11.65 at 125 on my stock K16's. Jason seems like a fun guy to be around. Hope to see you both in Mexico, soon.
 
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Originally Posted by TXGold
Haha! Jason had a fast car and the first time we ran, he beat me, but looking at the time slip, I noticed after a subsequent run, that I was getting close to his ET and Trap both. So about 6 months later I see his 'vette one car behind me and in the other lane at LSMSP. After pissing off three rednecks with about 8 teeth between them, I got Jason up there thinking I was gonna get the best of him this time. I think I had race gas this time and a drop-in filter, and figured it would be enough to atleast run neck and neck. Well he jumped out a car right off the bat and finished 5+ cars in front. So when I pulled around to the shack to grab my "horrible" time slip I didn't even look at it. He pulled up to me laughing that he'd had a cam and other things done since then and had just ran a 10.8 or something. I then looked down and saw a 11.65 at 125 on my stock K16's. Jason seems like a fun guy to be around. Hope to see you both in Mexico, soon.
Racing is racing. You never let the cat out of the bag until you're sure it works.

That was a solid run. I saw you coming on the big end.

I'm trying to convince Edwin to race the car but not sure if he is taking the bait.

I'm not much for racing on the Mexican autopista anymore, but I'm always down for some runs at LSMSP. The Mexico runs usually involve red eye flights that the wifey isn't too fond of. However, I'm always on the lookout for Dr. Jitsu on the way home since he is in Sugarland.
 
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Maybe we can try again sometime this weekend, Jason.
 
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Originally Posted by TXGold
Haha! Jason had a fast car and the first time we ran, he beat me, but looking at the time slip, I noticed after a subsequent run, that I was getting close to his ET and Trap both. So about 6 months later I see his 'vette one car behind me and in the other lane at LSMSP. After pissing off three rednecks with about 8 teeth between them, I got Jason up there thinking I was gonna get the best of him this time. I think I had race gas this time and a drop-in filter, and figured it would be enough to atleast run neck and neck. Well he jumped out a car right off the bat and finished 5+ cars in front. So when I pulled around to the shack to grab my "horrible" time slip I didn't even look at it. He pulled up to me laughing that he'd had a cam and other things done since then and had just ran a 10.8 or something. I then looked down and saw a 11.65 at 125 on my stock K16's. Jason seems like a fun guy to be around. Hope to see you both in Mexico, soon.
Haha... I believed Jason called me that day about your reaction after the second run Jason is definitely a handful and he's one of my best friends... real good guy that you can always trust and depend one... hard to find nowadays

Originally Posted by N77NXC
Racing is racing. You never let the cat out of the bag until you're sure it works.

That was a solid run. I saw you coming on the big end.

I'm trying to convince Edwin to race the car but not sure if he is taking the bait.


I'm not much for racing on the Mexican autopista anymore, but I'm always down for some runs at LSMSP. The Mexico runs usually involve red eye flights that the wifey isn't too fond of. However, I'm always on the lookout for Dr. Jitsu on the way home since he is in Sugarland.
Why are you trying to make me break the law? I'm a law-abiding citizen... let's take it to the track... the go-kart track

Edwin
 
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Smile 993 K16/16g

I see all this data. I like it too. But after ging over and over the best setup for my 993 turbo Todd K. and Akram from Motorwerk seem to think that the K16/16g over the K24/20G for the 993 will be best all around as well as most cost concsious. Who is a 6speeder that has 16g's on a 993? The engine is out already top end work being done. What the plan so far is... Per Todd K. and Akram:

k16/16G upgrade
lwfw/sachs clutch
60lb injectors
exhaust upgrade
air fitler
wg controller
ecu flash (protomotive)
GT2 evo cams and new valvetrain
new ignition
Billet Diverters
5 bar fpr

Everything listed is from Protomotives recipe book.

I am hoping for a fast 993, Nothing to save the world about I guess, Just grins and fun.
 
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Originally Posted by carmstrongLS1
I see all this data. I like it too. But after ging over and over the best setup for my 993 turbo Todd K. and Akram from Motorwerk seem to think that the K16/16g over the K24/20G for the 993 will be best all around as well as most cost concsious. Who is a 6speeder that has 16g's on a 993? The engine is out already top end work being done. What the plan so far is... Per Todd K. and Akram:

k16/16G upgrade
lwfw/sachs clutch
60lb injectors
exhaust upgrade
air fitler
wg controller
ecu flash (protomotive)
GT2 evo cams and new valvetrain
new ignition
Billet Diverters
5 bar fpr

Everything listed is from Protomotives recipe book.

I am hoping for a fast 993, Nothing to save the world about I guess, Just grins and fun.
Car should be VERY fun. BUT!!!! You WILL want more within 90 days.
 


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