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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 01:54 AM
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Some say Ferraris are designed to break in half in a crash.

Originally Posted by E36-RAT
What is it with Ferrari's and splitting in two in crashes?
They are beautiful cars but what about safety?
I suppose though when you hit a large pole at speed not many cars will protect you in that sort of crash.
Sad to say but really if you can afford these sorts of cars you should have the common sense to drive them fast in a safe environment i.e not the street!
I've heard some people say that the passenger compartment and the engine compartment will separate should a catastrophic wreck like this occur - this being the intended result of the Ferrari engineers' design. As you may recall, this also happened in the infamous Ferrari Enzo crash with Stefan Eriksson on the Pacific Coast Highway in 2006.
 
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 04:12 AM
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Truly sad...

These cars aren't meant for "street" racing... No one is safe and there are way to many variables...

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that is actually a pretty good road for doing rolls, because it goes a long way and it is more industrial/office. The only negative is that it has a lot of deceptive curves that you don't think are bad and you go faster than you should. I have been through there many times at high speeds and had to power slide some bends. That ferrari had to be going well over 120 and the driver was not very good. Sad. That road is better than Mulholand drive.
 
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 10:24 AM
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On the street?

Originally Posted by StiRulz
that is actually a pretty good road for doing rolls, because it goes a long way and it is more industrial/office. The only negative is that it has a lot of deceptive curves that you don't think are bad and you go faster than you should. I have been through there many times at high speeds and had to power slide some bends. That ferrari had to be going well over 120 and the driver was not very good. Sad. That road is better than Mulholand drive.
Power slide on public roads?
How crazy is that?
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Yeah. "StiRulz"? Probably thinks he's some kind of rally driver. Good luck powersliding on public roads buddy. Hope you kill yourself before someone else. Loser.

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Regardless of the circumstances its still a horrible situation. RIP
 
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 12:04 PM
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Jeez, it wasn't intentional. It happened once when I realized I was going to fast. Never happened again. Man, tough crowd. I'm sure no one in here hasn't hit a turn to hard at least once, or slid around a turn and almost lost it?
 
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Originally Posted by StiRulz
Jeez, it wasn't intentional. It happened once when I realized I was going to fast. Never happened again. Man, tough crowd. I'm sure no one in here hasn't hit a turn to hard at least once, or slid around a turn and almost lost it?
Dear Sti,

Yes, unfortunately, not much leeway given here. Although everyone on this forum (including me) drives cars which are complete overkill for daily street driving, you have to understand that everyone here, to the last man, follow all traffic rules and never, EVER, have actually opened things up at any time. There are other threads here, like the famous Florida double homicide by a TT driver, where almost everyone had tried and convicted the owner only to find out he apparently wasn't the driver after all. Yes, there's definitely a lot of judging going on.

Now, in reality, we have all burned a little rubber once or twice, it's only natural when you take so much pride in owning and driving such beautiful and supremely capable machines. It's just easier to judge than to face the fact that "there but for the grace of God go I".

Let me drop some names:
Rep. Mark Foley, Sen. Strom Thurmond, Blowhard Rush Limbaugh. All of these men talked a good game, but we all found out the truth.

I'm not saying that all of us have done power slides or split our Ferrari in two while apparently street racing (possibly under the influence). I'm just saying that each one of us knows the truth about our own "speed excesses"

But if you were to accept this Forum at face value, it's full of guys who sleep with supermodels, but swear they never touch them, honest!

This may not be a popular opinion, but it's the way I see it.

And I agree, Jamboree is an awesome street. What is it, 6 lanes wide? . . . And super smooth. But for my tastes I wouldn't go too fast on it because I try to keep it under 80 on Jamboree type streets. But that's just me. I usually get all my "speed itches" out at the track. But that's not to say I don't enjoy taking a fast on ramp or spanking an AMG once in a while.
 
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Originally Posted by adam699
What's up with white porsches latelly.
my white porsche's been sittin gatherin dust...
 
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by StiRulz
Jeez, it wasn't intentional. It happened once when I realized I was going to fast. Never happened again. Man, tough crowd. I'm sure no one in here hasn't hit a turn to hard at least once, or slid around a turn and almost lost it?
I drive like a pussycat on the street, but I save all my speeding for the track.
I'm a National SCCA driver and a PCA Instructor and I know how to get the most of out these cars. But, on the street, I'm a little old lady.
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When all is said and done.. the driver of the Porshe.... stopped. Then took off, leaving this carnage behind. Scared, sure. He could have tried to save a life that he helped destroy. We all have to admit that we don't know what we will do in a severe situation until we find ourselves in it... but I can't imagine not trying to help the people in that F-car. See article from LAT:

D.A. mulls criminal charges in fatal Ferrari crash

1:36 PM | March 12, 2009
Prosecutors and police are meeting today to discuss the case of a Costa Mesa man arrested on suspicion of drunk driving and vehicular manslaughter after his Porsche collided with a Ferrari, killing mixed-martial-arts fighter and clothing-company founder Charles “Mask” Lewis.
Jeffrey David Kirby, 51, remains behind bars on $2-million bail while authorities decide how to proceed.
Kirby was taken into custody Wednesday by Newport Beach police after he left the scene of the accident on Jamboree Road, where the Ferrari crashed into a light pole and split in two, leaving Lewis dead and hurling his female passenger into the street.
The woman is still hospitalized. Her name has not been released.
Police say the two cars appeared to have been traveling side by side in the southbound lanes at a high rate of speed when they collided near Upper Newport Bay about 1 a.m. Wednesday. Officers found Kirby’s Porsche on a side street a short distance away, as he and a female passenger were walking away from the vehicle.

Kirby has been cited in Orange County for at least eight traffic violations since 2001, including a conviction for driving under the influence in which he was sentenced to three years’ probation, according to court records.
In the 2001 drunk-driving arrest, Kirby allegedly told the arresting officer that his father was a retired California Highway Patrol officer who always advised him never to submit to a sobriety test. He also told the officer that "he shouldn’t be picking on people with money," according to the police report.
Lewis founded TapouT clothing with Dan “Punkass” Caldwell in 1997, selling T-shirts out of the trunks of their cars at mixed-martial-arts shows. As the mixed-martial-arts scene exploded in recent years, TapouT became the apparel of choice for many fighters and was the exclusive apparel used in the Ultimate Fighting Championship’s popular reality series on Spike TV, "The Ultimate Fighter."
Before breaking into the martial-arts arena, Lewis was a San Bernardino County sheriff’s deputy who worked at the Central Detention Center in downtown San Bernardino from December 1996 to May 1998.
-- Christine Hanley
Photo credit: Mark Boster / Los Angeles Times
 
Old Mar 13, 2009 | 11:52 AM
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This horrible accident occured minutes from my office. I drive by the location on my way to work and its hard to understand what happened from the skid marks. There is a long wide straight away going slightly uphill and 2 individual sets of skid marks that begin at least 50 yards before 2 different points of impact..By looking at it they must have been going well over 100+++. Th porsche skid marks begin and end before the ferraris...

There are quite a few people bringing flowers and sorts to show their remorse of the poor guy taken way too early in life....

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