I have to say...i don't miss it at all...

 

Nice looking ride. What blows my mind about the E36M3 right now is they are dropping to prices affordable by HS kids. I cant think of a car as stylish/fast/cool as it is, that was anywhere near as affordable back when I was that age. But then again, they still have to pay for maintenance, or get a Bentley manual.

 

A quick update from yesterday's tuning session...

400whp on pump gas with 14lbs boost. The 650cc injectors ran out of fueling before 5000rpm. The prior setup topped-out at this power level with 18lbs boost, running to red-line, full tune. (but with motor and turbo issues)

The next step is to run 1000cc injectors and see where that takes us.

I asked the tuner what kind of power it might produce if we ran 20 or 25 lbs of boost. He didn't want to try until there are several thousand miles on the motor.

 

Very nice! It looks like that car has had some TLC.

 

Honestly, i treated that car very nicely..

There were just a few things that annoyed me to death that i couldnt deal with.

I'll give you a few examples:

E36 M3 has severe allergies to any kind of bolt on mods, what i mean by this is that whatever you throw at it (be it a 500$ intake or 1200$ exhaust) you sacrifice something in the form of mid range torque or low end power, or whatever.

The only thing that works on these cars is F/I, and that sadly, for these cars now is more than double their value, so let's add things up..pay 15-20k at the time for a car like this, and bolt on a 11k turbo kit to almost get 370rwhp...or just get something better and faster that doesn't hit that 370rwhp glass ceiling.

It's really unfortunate that this car costs so much to modify, i'm really not cheap, but just looking around at what i could get for the money instead in both power adders and better cars, i decided to part ways with my E36.

It was just not a fast car..that's about as blunt as i can be.

 

Those numbers make this car faster than your EPL modded 996TT?

 

doubtful, when you consider that M3's are not light weight cars. The TT should be 450-480 whp with stock turbos.

 

True, E36 M3's are not light. But then again, nor are the 996TT's. I remember that my E36 weighed about 400lbs less than my 996TT. My 996 has lots of electronics weighing it down. The E36 has almost no electronics, and much of the interior is gone.

A chipped 996TT didn't even come close to 450-480hp at the wheels on a dyno-dynamics. Witness the following:

http://www.ktrperformance.com/dyno_t...php?id_num=143

Here is a Evolution Stage 4 on the dyno:

http://www.ktrperformance.com/dyno_t....php?id_num=46

I don't believe that dyno numbers are the ultimate measure of a car, just one of many measures - some appropriately subjective. I suppose the truest test would be to take both of my cars and time them on the track. That won't happen since I'll never put the 996TT on a track. But I suspect that in reasonably competent hands, the M3 would be quickest around the track. (big or small...track that is)

I think a reasonable whp target for the M3 on the KTR dyno would be about >500whp at 20lbs boost, on pump gas. Unfortunately, the current injectors weren't up to the task. If we hit that goal, my M3 will be faster and quicker than my 996TT assuming that power can get to the ground.

 

CKO, that is a stock 996tt DYNO sheet. That is how much they make stock. You are way wrong. A tuned 996tt with exhaust will easily make in the mid 400's. you have not obviously been on here seeing the tuned cars.

Also, the 2002 M3 style is 3470 lbs, which is about the same as a 996tt, so which version are you talking about?

Model Year: 2002
Make: BMW
Model: M3
Drive Type: Rear-wheel drive
Transmission Type: 6-speed manual
Engine Type: Inline-6
Displacement (cc / cu-in): 3.2
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 333@7900
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 262@4900
Brake Type: 4-wheel ventilated disc with dynamic brake control
Suspension Type (front): Strut-type with forged lower control arms
Suspension Type (rear): Independent with stabilizer bar
Curb Weight As Tested (lb): 3,472
Recommended Fuel: 91
Fuel Tank Capacity (gal): 16.6

 

The M3 he owns and I assume he is talking about is an E36, or previous body style than the 2002. Stock they come in right around 3,000, not sure on the exact number.

Justin

 

E36 M3.

3200lbs on average.

 

makes sense. Here is a couple of videos of a Tuned 996tt with K24/18's going against a supercharged 470 whp M3 and the second video is against a 750 bhp M3 twin turbo badass car. That M3 is a beauty including what looks like a carbon fiber roof. The 996tt is stated as 650 bhp which means probably stock injectors/fueling.

videos are just for fun, no real importance, just thought I'd throw them in. It shows that no matter how fast you are, there is always someone faster... the 996tt beats one and gets beat by the other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0Ilc-zTxMk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZvQ0...eature=related

 

So the older model is 3200 lbs? Versus 3470 for the newer one, that is quite a bit lighter, but the newer cars motor is amazing.

 

S54B32 is alright, i personally don't think that it's anything amazing.

The E46 is alright too, it'd be definitely a nice daily driver.

 

My M3 was corner balanced and the car came in under 3000lbs.

If you take a look at some of the other links on the KTR dyno graph web-site, you'll see that the charts that I posted are not for stock 996TT's. I've worked with them (KTR) for a very long time and have had many conversations about the dyno results. A tuned 996TT with exhaust would absolutely NOT produce mid 400's on a dyno dynamics. It might on another dyno, but not on what's been nick-named the heart-breaker. To be fair, there was a dyno chart for and Upsolute chip and exhaust that put out 390whp. I suspect that it was not a standard chip + exhaust, but no point in speculating here.

I'm not here to start a religious war, just posting results that are reasonably comparable on an apples to apples comparison. After all, they're both my cars and I like them equally, but for different reasons.