ibxanders, thanks for tackling this. I've always had trouble uploading pictures in the threads. Never tried the other 2 places. Everything seems to work up to the point when I hit the upload button in the thread image attacher, then I get a fail notice. I think it has to do with re-sizing, or Chuck mentioned something about bitmap or jpeg. Those names mean nothing to me but with computer software such that it is, it should be able to convert to the necessary format. Or you the genius will have to write something that can handle it. That's as much as I can tell you. Sorry, like I said, I'm a computer barbarian. Thanks much.