Best thing is just to agree

 

........Which when you make rebound softer, in my case, will allow for the car to roll more on the corner, thus giving more grip to the area in question. It's like moving the sway bar position to a softer setting, allows for more understeer which in my case is what I need to cancel out the effects of the oversteer.

 

Ermmm ok! Dezmond... Do you see me telling Saint that it's his driving style... how patronizing is that!
Focus on your own skills, sure he has more than you

 

You've been reading to many books... lmfao

 

I think you have bump and rebound mixed up. Less bump means more body roll, not rebound.


Increasing rebound means the springs/dampers will not bounce back from bump conditions as fast keeping more weight on the loaded tire for longer. More weight on that back loaded tire means more traction on that tire.

 

Do you see me telling Saint that it's his driving style? I told him to check first, be it data or in car video. Not all bad habits are recognizable as you are driving. All amateurs have bad habits. Even pros have them too.


But I guess you must be the lone exception..........



You better be glad you're on the other side of the pond or I'd be forced to make you look bad with all those mods you aren't using properly. Here's an idea, maybe a coach could help you use them.......

 

A handful of track days... and he is all of a sudden Schumacher, you kill me!!!

 

I'm the one saying that we all need coaching and to watch for bad habits while you criticize it and I'm the Schumacher????

That makes a lot of sense stevo.

But rather than ruin his thread since he seems to be sincerely looking for information I'm going to put you on ignore because all of the smileys aren't helping anyone.

 

Driving skill counts a lot. But in this forum the majority claims otherwise, most are always suggesting more mods or even accusing of cheating your claims.

I for one have had to send laptime data via email to a 6speedonline member as he did not believe how fast a PSS9 equipped Turbo can go around a certain track in the hands of amateur and thus pretty much accused me as a liar....

I also remember browsing a thread here where many people said it is impossible to make a Turbo as fast as Cup. Like something a 996 Turbo cannot be as fast as a Cup in Spa...Heh, once again it is due to driving skill.

Track 911 Turbos (Yep, I am talking about racing cars, as Cups are racing cars as well) have always been faster than Cups. Be it the 993 GT2's or the 996 GT2R's or even the 4WD Turbos such as Alzen's car. Most Professional Turbo Porsches beat even RSR's. For example Alzen 4WD 996 Turbo did Nordschleife+GP track in VLN competition traffic in 8.09min which is something like 6.40min for the Nordschleife part, you cannot touch that time even with GT3 RSR's! Jean is able to give a lot of more 993 Turbo/GT2 related evidence...

And you can make your car into race car if you have the means. Everything is possible with these cars if you are willing to spend. But remember the driving skill part. If we are talking about limited budget good example comes from Sweden where a track 996 Turbo (by Puppan, also shown in this forum) is faster than a 997 Cup. Obviously similar tires used.

And the tire question is so often forgotten here. In most cases here where one compares street cars (GT3,GT2, Turbo etc.) to Cups etc. and whether they were faster or not I have to look elsewhere...If one has new slicks and the other street car has R-tires there is no comparison. Always if there is talk about a surprising difference in speed between a street modded car and racing car it's about driving skill again. Slicks are in a different league due to their grip.

Ps. Manthey uses the best available spring rates for street 996 GT3 for Nordschleife and they use 350/975 rate in lbs/inch with their specced KW's. Hard rear seems to work well there...

But what do I know...

 

No offense... I just don't know how you can comment on such a thread Dez, it was only a couple of weeks ago you were going to purchase a set of JIC's and was asking for advice on them... seriously, do you really know how bad that stuff is?
I can remember me having a conversation about them with Sharky about 4/5 years ago about how awful they were... a brand new set that I managed to sell on and even the new owner thrown them in the bucket (I was honest with him when he purchased from me and warned him!!!)

Has to be one of the worst struts in the world... even stock would be better.

 

I don't agree with that, but that's okay, because that's what I like about these discussions, all our own opinions and experiences to reflect on.

But what I am going to test is just which is correct, by increasing rebound and driving it and then decreasing rebound from it's current position and driving it to see what it does....that's the only way to tell.

Thanks guys for the help, but.... this was not meant to be a “who's better” or “what car a GT2 or TT will beat”, or “who is right/wrong”.

All I want to do is make my GT2 as fast as I can! Now if that means it is slower or faster than a cup car or other seriously fast cars out there, make no difference to me.

 

Stevo, I laugh at people with your mindset. Maybe where you are from no one can go fast unless they meet the cost quota, but here in the states guys don't need 3 way 13k suspensions to go fast.

There are corvette's here that will bend you over with leaf springs on their cars. But I bet you think those are crap too.

You have a lot to learn my friend.

Jon is sending me a set of JIC competition coilovers to use until their 3-ways come out. I've already shown you what they can do all by themselves in amateur competition with spring rates that were far too soft. Now when I put them on and add some aero and bigger wheels and fresh tires you will eat those words.

 

Saint, do you not agree with what bump and rebound is? Bump is how fast the springs compress, and rebound is how fast they uncompress. Higher settings of either means more resistance to compression or uncompression.

Is that where you disagree, or how it will work? I got my information from a professional race team, this is not off the top of my head.

 

That's good Dez, I'm honestly happy for you!... remember to shoot some footage especially when you pass Cup Cars on JIC suspension.

 

I certainly will.