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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 10:07 AM
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Agency power header and waste gate bolt split

Can any one explain what can do this ?!
 
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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 10:20 AM
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Is the header split along the weld line for the collector?
 
Old Apr 25, 2010 | 10:23 AM
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Is the header split along the weld line for the collector?
yes .. when i remove the header it was split along the weld for the collector .. it was a shock
 
Old Apr 25, 2010 | 10:24 AM
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Metal fatigue looks likely

or a failed weld, perhaps. Have you close ups of the broken seam? Hard to tell from pics. Might be re-weldable, if you'd ever trust it again.
 
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or a failed weld, perhaps. Have you close ups of the broken seam? Hard to tell from pics. Might be re-weldable, if you'd ever trust it again.
I dont think that i would trust it any more. I may change the headers with 997 turbo one. my friend is giving me for free
 
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looks like poor penetration given the cleanness of the break. I would never trust a wastegate rod where the entire thing was threaded -stress risers everywhere, particularly dicey on portions with bends. Though this one may have been affected by exhaust gas from the cracked header. ..just my .02
 
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I saw that happening (on aircraft pneumatic ducts) when the two parts are not aligned properly and stress is always present in the installation until it break....
 
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Actually for now when i move the splitted waste gate bolt its little bit sticky specially when i move it all the way to the back.
It may be affected from the cracked headers. i will get more pic and more details when i go back tomorrow to the work shop to check the turbo.
 
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That problem with the threaded wastegate rods has been around for some time. The EVOMS rods used to break at the junction of the bend also. I think they fixed that, The OEM rods are solid with no threads except for the ends where the nut attaches for travel adjustment. The UMW wastegate kit uses the original rods and I haven't heard of any problems with that setup. I installed the UMW kit as did ARD. If you buy any wastegate kits with the rods threaded all the way down, you're looking for potential problems. I'm surprised Agency hasn't corrected that given the history of broken rods and extensive archived info on the forums dealing with this exact problem.
 
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Is the turbo bolted to the hanger on top? if not do not be surprised... do not expect the header to hold all that weight....
sometimes dyno straps or even towing will split the ehaders as well...


that explains your boost issue you have been telling me about...
I have a nice set of headers if interested...
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Can any one explain what can do this ?!
Definitely a lack of penetration. Pretty bad welding or just bad welding procedures and specifications. The material also looks pretty thin.
 
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Originally Posted by markski@911tuning
is the turbo bolted to the hanger on top? If not do not be surprised... Do not expect the header to hold all that weight....
Sometimes dyno straps or even towing will split the ehaders as well...

-yes its bolted


that explains your boost issue you have been telling me about...
No its not the main reason ,, i'm trying with that greddy bc since 4 or maybe 5 months ago and there was no crack in the header and no problem with the wg's
this problem appear from 2 days ago approx and before that i was using the oem solenoid with no prob.
I have a nice set of headers if interested...
No i'm not interested with ur headers (only) i'm saving the money for the hole kit :d
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Definitely a lack of penetration. Pretty bad welding or just bad welding procedures and specifications. The material also looks pretty thin.
Thats what i'm expecting
 
Old Apr 25, 2010 | 02:51 PM
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Thats what i'm expecting
The other thing that can cause this relates to the welding procedures or a screw up in manufacturing. Wrong or improper filler metal.
 
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The other thing that can cause this relates to the welding procedures or a screw up in manufacturing. Wrong or improper filler metal.
So it relate to the manufacture .. mats or welds
 


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