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UrbanHotrod Jun 18, 2010 06:39 AM

Meth Kit - HELP
 
Ok so i have been jawing over to put the Meth kit in the car and with the summer Muggy weather i might just do it and get it over with.

This is the kit i am looking at unless anyone has an opinion (i am sure some Will). :D

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/dvc...age-2-305.html

with the Dual nozzle

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/dua...grade-200.html

Anyone have a better kit? They look and function all the same the way i see it.
Deal?
I'm ready to but it today.
you can PM me if you dont want to post a response for any reason here.

jgood Jun 18, 2010 06:47 AM

Can't go wrong with any of the aquamist kits. Just watch the tanks and how/where you tap in the fittings.

UrbanHotrod Jun 18, 2010 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by jgood (Post 2879004)
Can't go wrong with any of the aquamist kits. Just watch the tanks and how/where you tap in the fittings.

Thanks

My fittings have to get put into my hardpipe.

Mad Ness Jun 18, 2010 06:57 AM

AEM makes a kit as well and there's an in depth install post somewhere around here.

BigBadBen Jun 18, 2010 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PALETTE (Post 2879012)
Thanks

My fittings have to get put into my hardpipe.


Hi Cory,

Use the Aquamist HFS-6 kit, that is what I am using.

As you can see I have installed my jets on the end tanks of my EVOMS IC's.

I have done about 80 runs on the Coq highway fine tuning my system and continue to :)

Ben

PM me your email addy and I will send you more info from the write-up that Ian did.

DaveM@EPL Jun 18, 2010 12:56 PM

If you're looking to pick up a few additional hp without a retune, that kit will suffice; but I wouldn't recommend a retune for meth injection relying on that kit. The Aquamist kits have failsafes based on flow (either too high or too low, in case of a clogged nozzle or leaking line) and water level that will cut boost back to wastegate spring. On other kits, you are just hoping that the nozzles and lines are functioning properly/not leaking. These types of things don't happen often, but there is always a possibility. On top of that, we have tuned cars with just about every kit installed, and none of the results were able to match an Aquamist kit. The nozzles are active nozzles, and do offer better atomization than any kit we have tried, allowing us to get fairly aggressive with nozzle sizing that simply won't work on other kits. Since Ben's install, the HFS-3 kits have become available as well. They will perform nearly identical for most users at almost a $200 cheaper price-tag, but still includes all the failsafe features.

Mark @ AIM Performance Jun 18, 2010 01:08 PM

What are the differences between the 3 and the 6?


Originally Posted by DaveM@EPL (Post 2879410)
If you're looking to pick up a few additional hp without a retune, that kit will suffice; but I wouldn't recommend a retune for meth injection relying on that kit. The Aquamist kits have failsafes based on flow (either too high or too low, in case of a clogged nozzle or leaking line) and water level that will cut boost back to wastegate spring. On other kits, you are just hoping that the nozzles and lines are functioning properly/not leaking. These types of things don't happen often, but there is always a possibility. On top of that, we have tuned cars with just about every kit installed, and none of the results were able to match an Aquamist kit. The nozzles are active nozzles, and do offer better atomization than any kit we have tried, allowing us to get fairly aggressive with nozzle sizing that simply won't work on other kits. Since Ben's install, the HFS-3 kits have become available as well. They will perform nearly identical for most users at almost a $200 cheaper price-tag, but still includes all the failsafe features.


DaveM@EPL Jun 18, 2010 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by prodigymb (Post 2879419)
What are the differences between the 3 and the 6?

The 3 does not handle direct injection pulses, the 6 does (this does not apply to the 996)

The 6 has boost compensation control and fail-safe reset-time delay adjustments, the 3 does not. That is really about it. The 3 uses a different flow sensor than the 6, but it still works the same with the Aquamist. The flow sensor on the 6 has some additional voltage outputs on the the sensor itself that may allow you to wire additional custom hardware if you wanted to, but I have never personally seen this done. Aside from the controller and flow sensor, the rest of the kit hardware is identical.

unvmy996 Jun 18, 2010 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by DaveM@EPL (Post 2879410)
If you're looking to pick up a few additional hp without a retune, that kit will suffice; but I wouldn't recommend a retune for meth injection relying on that kit. The Aquamist kits have failsafes based on flow (either too high or too low, in case of a clogged nozzle or leaking line) and water level that will cut boost back to wastegate spring. On other kits, you are just hoping that the nozzles and lines are functioning properly/not leaking. These types of things don't happen often, but there is always a possibility. On top of that, we have tuned cars with just about every kit installed, and none of the results were able to match an Aquamist kit. The nozzles are active nozzles, and do offer better atomization than any kit we have tried, allowing us to get fairly aggressive with nozzle sizing that simply won't work on other kits. Since Ben's install, the HFS-3 kits have become available as well. They will perform nearly identical for most users at almost a $200 cheaper price-tag, but still includes all the failsafe features.

hes running a boost controller so the boost inst controlled through the dme , how can he run failsafes that allow the boost to cut out and go back to wastegate spring boost?

2muchtime Jun 18, 2010 01:24 PM

I have the Aquamist 6 and love it, you can feel the extra boost when the lights race across the dial.

DaveM@EPL Jun 18, 2010 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by unvmy996 (Post 2879442)
hes running a boost controller so the boost inst controlled through the dme , how can he run failsafes that allow the boost to cut out and go back to wastegate spring boost?

Depending on the type of valve there may be a few different ways to do it; but if its a 2 wire valve (12v and PWM Signal/Ground), you just interrupt the signal exactly how you would with the OE valve. Most valves without a signal do not bleed off any boost pressure, so you will achieve wastegate spring.

UrbanHotrod Jun 18, 2010 02:20 PM

Dave thanks.
I am running the Tail WG's so not sure if it works the same.
Plus with the Blow through Maf i have some work to do.

ttboost Jun 18, 2010 02:21 PM

Yes, all you have to do is break the 12v to the solenoid for protection...

DaveM@EPL Jun 18, 2010 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by PALETTE (Post 2879514)
Dave thanks.
I am running the Tail WG's so not sure if it works the same.
Plus with the Blow through Maf i have some work to do.

Essentially every wastegate works the same; the boost signal is bled off in a controlled vacuum leak, so the wastegate stays closed because it is seeing less boost than the rest of the vacuum system is seeing. The 3 way valves switch between the bleed line and the wastegate line when they are signaled too, and without a signal the bleed line is blocked shut so all boost goes to the wastegate.

This is excluding top-port wastegate control on a dual port external wastegate, but that can be worked around with a few plumbing changes, worst case a controller change; but most controllers don't use the top port.

The failsafes can even be taken advantage of when using a manual boost controller, however an additional 3 way valve for the Aquamist will have to be plumbed it.

The blow-through MAF does not affect the Aquamist system, since it only requires an injector pulse signal. It also uses the MAP sensor when it is available, but it is not required.

ttboost Jun 18, 2010 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by DaveM@EPL (Post 2879534)
Essentially every wastegate works the same; the boost signal is bled off in a controlled vacuum leak, so the wastegate stays closed because it is seeing less boost than the rest of the vacuum system is seeing. The 3 way valves switch between the bleed line and the wastegate line when they are signaled too, and without a signal the bleed line is blocked shut so all boost goes to the wastegate.

This is excluding top-port wastegate control on a dual port external wastegate, but that can be worked around with a few plumbing changes, worst case a controller change; but most controllers don't use the top port.

The failsafes can even be taken advantage of when using a manual boost controller, however an additional 3 way valve for the Aquamist will have to be plumbed it.

The blow-through MAF does not affect the Aquamist system, since it only requires an injector pulse signal. It also uses the MAP sensor when it is available, but it is not required.

Have you blown Meth across a MAF? I think that's Palette's issue/question.


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