997 GT2 Expansion tank on 996 engine.
#46
Thanks Tim! I'll verify some of this over the next few days. My pump power wires are unplugged.
When I installed my 100cell cats, I pulled the rear o2 sensors out of the stream a bit. Since they are out a 'bit' they may not be sensitive enough to throw a code. If my assumptions are correct about the DME not knowing if the pump is unplugged beyond the relay, I'm likely good to go. I'll know more and update several parts of this post after this weekend.
-B
When I installed my 100cell cats, I pulled the rear o2 sensors out of the stream a bit. Since they are out a 'bit' they may not be sensitive enough to throw a code. If my assumptions are correct about the DME not knowing if the pump is unplugged beyond the relay, I'm likely good to go. I'll know more and update several parts of this post after this weekend.
-B
#48
*edit* This is with the stock intake, not the GT2 intake. I'm just trying to better understand the diagnostic ability of the Motronic.
Last edited by Brad Bedell; 09-05-2010 at 08:44 AM.
#49
I did this by getting some brackets and adapters done. Brackets for LH & RH auxiliary equipment attachment points were done from aluminium sheet by water jet cutting. For EGR piping by machining from billet ( LH ). At RH side the original intake manifold was relieved from extra weight =) with a hand saw and milling machine. See pictures below. Fabricating company's contact info by PM! I used freeze plugs instead of threaded plugs like Brad's, I was afraid of getting metal shavings into heads, but after seeing how Brad did it I would have done that too.
Using 997 secondary air pump and vacuum system would be a tempting idea, but overly expensive.
With the parts I used original secondary air pump with it's piping can be used. Also intake manifold ( between MAF and turbos ) at LH side fits it's original location.
Fuel lines crossing the engine are a tight fit with 997 expansion tanks, but with some imagination they can be twisted to fit. Injectors will fit if fuel rail's attachment point are slightly cut in angle.
I made an intermediate piece ( PET teminology, equals that T-piece connecting the TB to tank halves ) of my own to fit 996 turbo's own TB to tank halves. It's sized so that the expansion manifod principle will not be disturbed. All OEM boost/vacuum lines are used.
Head's intake ports are few mm's larger than tank's, but the porting was fast and easy. At the same time I also ported exhaust manifolds too...
More pictures about how the engine looks like when all parts are there when I get back home from Japan. I get no CEL's related to these parts.
Some others though, but because engine had sat unused for some time...apparently I need to open & clean TB's gearing and engine loom's grounding points.
Using 997 secondary air pump and vacuum system would be a tempting idea, but overly expensive.
With the parts I used original secondary air pump with it's piping can be used. Also intake manifold ( between MAF and turbos ) at LH side fits it's original location.
Fuel lines crossing the engine are a tight fit with 997 expansion tanks, but with some imagination they can be twisted to fit. Injectors will fit if fuel rail's attachment point are slightly cut in angle.
I made an intermediate piece ( PET teminology, equals that T-piece connecting the TB to tank halves ) of my own to fit 996 turbo's own TB to tank halves. It's sized so that the expansion manifod principle will not be disturbed. All OEM boost/vacuum lines are used.
Head's intake ports are few mm's larger than tank's, but the porting was fast and easy. At the same time I also ported exhaust manifolds too...
More pictures about how the engine looks like when all parts are there when I get back home from Japan. I get no CEL's related to these parts.
Some others though, but because engine had sat unused for some time...apparently I need to open & clean TB's gearing and engine loom's grounding points.
#50
Pete95zhn: thanks for the photos! My biggest issue with the design of those brackets for the air pump is the potential for leaks over several hundred or thousand heat cycles. Sure, your setup is likely adequate and likely good enough. I'm just not comfortable putting it on my car with the seal not in line with the bolt holes. . My experiments above to remove the air pump are still with a stock intake system. I'll have a fit kit/intake/plenum kit available shortly with air pump. Hopefully I'll also have something available for an off-road air pump delete.
My heads/intake matched up perfectly as did the fuel rail and the lines. Now, with aftermarket injectors (simmens 60#) that are on my car, I'll have to slot the rail a bit or build an adapter bracket. (I think 911 tuning has one?)
*IF* you ported matched your intake to the intake gasket, you'll have the 1mm lip when the intake hits the head. The Head also has a 1mm lip when comparing it to the intake gasket.
My heads/intake matched up perfectly as did the fuel rail and the lines. Now, with aftermarket injectors (simmens 60#) that are on my car, I'll have to slot the rail a bit or build an adapter bracket. (I think 911 tuning has one?)
*IF* you ported matched your intake to the intake gasket, you'll have the 1mm lip when the intake hits the head. The Head also has a 1mm lip when comparing it to the intake gasket.
#53
Thanks for all the information guys! For those of us with 'offroad' only cars this is very helpful. As I dont have cats I don't need/want the secondary AIR pump. Does anyone get codes removing the pump and EGR? I noticed there was talk above about a resistor inline to trick the ECU or can these codes all be tuned out? Thanks (again for non-emission inspected cars)
Tim
#54
Odd, I measured the dimensions of the ports with a caliper on the head and GT2 intake vs the stock intake bits and did not find a difference. I'll double check again as I was expecting a bit smaller port from the GT2 manifolds.
#55
Thanks for all the information guys! For those of us with 'offroad' only cars this is very helpful. As I dont have cats I don't need/want the secondary AIR pump. Does anyone get codes removing the pump and EGR? I noticed there was talk above about a resistor inline to trick the ECU or can these codes all be tuned out? Thanks (again for non-emission inspected cars)
#60
I missed this earlier. This is like reading a great one-of-a-kind novel and discovering that someone ripped out the last pages! ouch.
I hope whomever buys these bits will consider continuing this and sharing as their project progresses. Brad, wish you the best and thank you for this. It was making me think about tearing into my GT2.
JR
I hope whomever buys these bits will consider continuing this and sharing as their project progresses. Brad, wish you the best and thank you for this. It was making me think about tearing into my GT2.
JR