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Old Mar 10, 2011 | 12:46 PM
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Agreed, I do like to see actual data.

Remember, They are trying to sell you something. The data may be pushed in their favor....
 
Old Mar 10, 2011 | 12:49 PM
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Remember, They are trying to sell you something. The data may be pushed in their favor....
hahaha lol ...you're right! that's why engineers and marketing folks don't get along !
 
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I have one of these I'll be getting rid of very soon... Never installed the air duct in the rear decklid...

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Old Mar 13, 2011 | 01:18 AM
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I have one of these I'll be getting rid of very soon... Never installed the air duct in the rear decklid...

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Did you want to send it to me?
 
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Originally Posted by NathanialHale
I have one of these I'll be getting rid of very soon... Never installed the air duct in the rear decklid...

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Why getting rid of?
 
Old Mar 15, 2011 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by NathanialHale
I have one of these I'll be getting rid of very soon... Never installed the air duct in the rear decklid...



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I may be interested in this also...why are you getting rid of it? How much are you looking to get?
 
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Remember, They are trying to sell you something. The data may be pushed in their favor....
note how my comment asking for dynos from customers was not answered.
 
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Dyno pre/post intake is pricey and to see a few or 10...hp change, why waste the money on the intake...I mean the dyno...
 
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what's the sound difference like? I know the EVOMS intake makes the turbo spool notably louder. Is this the same effect? I would assume so as more airflow and less restriction means more turbo spool noise.


Edit: from my experience with intakes on my BMM 335xi with it's N54 engine, an intake is not really a hp gaining mod as more of a sound gaining mod, when I had the my stock intake on I could barely hear the turbos spool, in fact it was almost inaudible like that of the Audi a4's, but once I put in the DCI intake, which wasn't even a true cold air, man oh man did those things make lots of noise. I loved it, and would buy it again in a heartbeat, but that intake was also only $125 or so lol. Main reason why I don't want to get the EVOMS is because I can't really justify spending almost a grand for basically just sound.
 

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If you read the original post that was linked on the first page somewhere, you cant really DYNO the value you of this intake. The point is for the car when moving to bring in more airflow into the airbox. If the car is sitting on a dyno, all you are measuring is what the stock filter, K&N, or BMC is sucking in without any airflow being forced from movement of the car.
 
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Thumbs up My point,

Exactly.
 
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Originally Posted by vividracing
If you read the original post that was linked on the first page somewhere, you cant really DYNO the value you of this intake. The point is for the car when moving to bring in more airflow into the airbox. If the car is sitting on a dyno, all you are measuring is what the stock filter, K&N, or BMC is sucking in without any airflow being forced from movement of the car.
That answer makes perfect sence and as an engineer I totally agree with it. However in order to rectify gains somehow some test(s) would have had to have been done. Be it out on the highway or in a wind tunnel whereupon thru some sort of capturing mechanism these gains were realized. If the part claims gains of any sort, there must be data somewhere as to how those numbers were reached. Where is that test data? I think that may be what folks are looking for as a performance justification basis for this part.
 
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We have sold maybe 100+ of these kits. The best tests are the feedback from those that drive on the track and street. There are alot of reviews on the forum.
 
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We have sold maybe 100+ of these kits. The best tests are the feedback from those that drive on the track and street. There are alot of reviews on the forum.
in theory and design wise your part should work to produce some sort of gains perhaps. what I (and others apparently would like to know) is by how much. For that you need imprical data...you mention track guys....have you asked for Data aquisition speed at points such as (1) entry into a specific turn (2) terminal speed at the end of a straight into the brake zone (3) exit speed coming off a turn into a major straight.

Those three represent some critical track points at which aero data can be measured and compiled, if we can assume a correlation with increase in speed proportional to some fractional gain by your airbox then we can run with and without scenarios to attempt to quatify the gain.

selling 100 units does not measure gains...feedback, albeit good does not measure gains. If you were able to say that at this track at this point on the track then same car with the same driver on back to back sessions showed a gain of 2mph terminal speed that would be a good start...

not trying to be a pain in the butt, just sharing some thoughts that's all ...personally I really like the part, especially in carbon or kevlar (but that kevalr is pricey!)
 
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in theory and design wise your part should work to produce some sort of gains perhaps. what I (and others apparently would like to know) is by how much. For that you need imprical data...you mention track guys....have you asked for Data aquisition speed at points such as (1) entry into a specific turn (2) terminal speed at the end of a straight into the brake zone (3) exit speed coming off a turn into a major straight.

Those three represent some critical track points at which aero data can be measured and compiled, if we can assume a correlation with increase in speed proportional to some fractional gain by your airbox then we can run with and without scenarios to attempt to quatify the gain.

selling 100 units does not measure gains...feedback, albeit good does not measure gains. If you were able to say that at this track at this point on the track then same car with the same driver on back to back sessions showed a gain of 2mph terminal speed that would be a good start...

not trying to be a pain in the butt, just sharing some thoughts that's all ...personally I really like the part, especially in carbon or kevlar (but that kevalr is pricey!)
Hey guys,Basic 101 high Performance is that more 'surface area' on any intake helps,which 2 ducts are better then1,,,,Plus getting air in 2 ducts over 1 duct is better because it is more volume and would be a cooler charge compared to 1 duct moving air flow in..Why did Porsche change the 997 turbos set-up to two??....When I had stock set -up,I could feel that the air temp was alot warmer radiating out of just that 1 duct when the car was at idle,,,,then with the 2 ducts air radiating out of them...How many products do you guys buy for your cars,that even cost way more..lol..., that never had dyno sheets to prove what that product helped??......Yes you can hear the woosh of air alot clearer with this set-up.....BUT...Its anyones guess how much you would gain....Thay depends on the weather temps,motor combination and the volume of air the rear part of the airbox can flow....Just my thoughts.....
 


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