Kinesis F110 wheels cracked! A must see!
#121
I have updated the original thread with the removed jpg file:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post3157692
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post3157692
Last edited by bbywu; 03-23-2011 at 10:58 PM.
#122
I have updated the original thread with the removed jpg file:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post3157692
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post3157692
Yes indeed. "These wheels were checked and inspected with all necessary repairs made."
Wheel Dynamics ........... why did you edit your thread and delete this and more if you had nothing to hide? I would suggest, based on this information you make dgreen78 whole immediately.
In addition, based on information I have seen it appears Wheel Dynamics, Fast Forward Wheels and yourself are the same, inter related or have some type of common denominator.
Please note the second paragraph ......... https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post2983880
"I put together." In addition names and e-mail addresses also seem to confirm.
Last edited by cjv; 03-23-2011 at 11:55 PM.
#123
What is the "industry standard" when it comes to repair of wheels with sheared spokes? In medical malpractice cases, plaintiff would need to demonstrate that the defendant's action or failure to act fell below the medical industry standard. I believe such a test can be applied here. Would the majority of the wheel repairers agree that WD shouldn't have repaired the wheel(s) at all?
If the industry norm is to not repair wheels in like condition, then WD is likely culpable, regardless of whatever disclaimer they asserted.
I also feel that mrdeezy is culpable. Trying to limit loss by KNOWINGLY pass on a defective product that can endanger the well being of the end user is offensive. Mrdeezy should be thankful that Don and his daughter weren't hurt, otherwise, the knowing and foreseeable element of the legal equation would have landed him in an unenviable position.
I am not sure what kind of resolution Don would want. Another member mentioned legal action. I think the proper way to do it is to bring an action against mrdeezy (since Don bought the wheels from him), then mrdeezy can bring WD in as co-defendant. Let the court decide which one is primarily liable and which one is contributorily liable and who should pay what to Don. If there is little doubt about liability, let the court decide the proper remedies. Otherwise, it seems like we are at a stand still where mrdeezy admits wrong doing but says Don should go for WD, who has the deeper pocket and WD seems to suggest go for mrdeezy, whom Don bought the wheels from.
If the industry norm is to not repair wheels in like condition, then WD is likely culpable, regardless of whatever disclaimer they asserted.
I also feel that mrdeezy is culpable. Trying to limit loss by KNOWINGLY pass on a defective product that can endanger the well being of the end user is offensive. Mrdeezy should be thankful that Don and his daughter weren't hurt, otherwise, the knowing and foreseeable element of the legal equation would have landed him in an unenviable position.
I am not sure what kind of resolution Don would want. Another member mentioned legal action. I think the proper way to do it is to bring an action against mrdeezy (since Don bought the wheels from him), then mrdeezy can bring WD in as co-defendant. Let the court decide which one is primarily liable and which one is contributorily liable and who should pay what to Don. If there is little doubt about liability, let the court decide the proper remedies. Otherwise, it seems like we are at a stand still where mrdeezy admits wrong doing but says Don should go for WD, who has the deeper pocket and WD seems to suggest go for mrdeezy, whom Don bought the wheels from.
#124
What is the "industry standard" when it comes to repair of wheels with sheared spokes? In medical malpractice cases, plaintiff would need to demonstrate that the defendant's action or failure to act fell below the medical industry standard. I believe such a test can be applied here. Would the majority of the wheel repairers agree that WD shouldn't have repaired the wheel(s) at all?
If the industry norm is to not repair wheels in like condition, then WD is likely culpable, regardless of whatever disclaimer they asserted.
I also feel that mrdeezy is culpable. Trying to limit loss by KNOWINGLY pass on a defective product that can endanger the well being of the end user is offensive. Mrdeezy should be thankful that Don and his daughter weren't hurt, otherwise, the knowing and foreseeable element of the legal equation would have landed him in an unenviable position.
I am not sure what kind of resolution Don would want. Another member mentioned legal action. I think the proper way to do it is to bring an action against mrdeezy (since Don bought the wheels from him), then mrdeezy can bring WD in as co-defendant. Let the court decide which one is primarily liable and which one is contributorily liable and who should pay what to Don. If there is little doubt about liability, let the court decide the proper remedies. Otherwise, it seems like we are at a stand still where mrdeezy admits wrong doing but says Don should go for WD, who has the deeper pocket and WD seems to suggest go for mrdeezy, whom Don bought the wheels from.
If the industry norm is to not repair wheels in like condition, then WD is likely culpable, regardless of whatever disclaimer they asserted.
I also feel that mrdeezy is culpable. Trying to limit loss by KNOWINGLY pass on a defective product that can endanger the well being of the end user is offensive. Mrdeezy should be thankful that Don and his daughter weren't hurt, otherwise, the knowing and foreseeable element of the legal equation would have landed him in an unenviable position.
I am not sure what kind of resolution Don would want. Another member mentioned legal action. I think the proper way to do it is to bring an action against mrdeezy (since Don bought the wheels from him), then mrdeezy can bring WD in as co-defendant. Let the court decide which one is primarily liable and which one is contributorily liable and who should pay what to Don. If there is little doubt about liability, let the court decide the proper remedies. Otherwise, it seems like we are at a stand still where mrdeezy admits wrong doing but says Don should go for WD, who has the deeper pocket and WD seems to suggest go for mrdeezy, whom Don bought the wheels from.
You would have to assume that mrdizzy understands what can or cannot be repaired. Note where WD states and then deleted four months later the statement "These wheels were checked and inspected with all necessary repairs made." In addition the Fast Forward website www.fastforwardwheels.com appears to imply they are experts in their field.
"MAJOR DAMAGE SPECIALIST, WE REPAIR WHEELS WHEN OTHERS TELL YOU IT CAN'T BE DONE!" I believe this one statement says everything.
Last edited by cjv; 03-24-2011 at 12:08 AM.
#125
Sorry but in light of all of this, that made me laugh.... but alas, the truth in humor.
#126
Rudy,
You would have to assume that mrdizzy understands what can or cannot be repaired. Note where WD states and then deleted four months later the statement "These wheels were checked and inspected with all necessary repairs made." In addition the Fast Forward website www.fastforwardwheels.com appears to imply they are experts in their field.
"MAJOR DAMAGE SPECIALIST, WE REPAIR WHEELS WHEN OTHERS TELL YOU IT CAN'T BE DONE!" I believe this one statement says everything.
You would have to assume that mrdizzy understands what can or cannot be repaired. Note where WD states and then deleted four months later the statement "These wheels were checked and inspected with all necessary repairs made." In addition the Fast Forward website www.fastforwardwheels.com appears to imply they are experts in their field.
"MAJOR DAMAGE SPECIALIST, WE REPAIR WHEELS WHEN OTHERS TELL YOU IT CAN'T BE DONE!" I believe this one statement says everything.
A related issue to be considered is, did mrdeezy have a duty to disclose to Don or was it a case of caveat emptor, buyer beware?
Enough of my legalese for one night. I sincerely hope Don can obtain a satisfactory resolution and the other two parties involved can go through this incident without too much damage to both their IRL and e-reputations.
#127
reading this thread seriously makes me sick to my stomach. I will make sure that nobody I know EVER goes to wheel dynamics or fast forward wheels. besides the obvious fact that someone could've got seriously hurt in this situation, there is no remorse. you guys are too busy to respond and be honest in this thread but have plenty of time to modify your old threads and try to cover your tracks?? DISGUSTING. Karma is a b1tch. Best of luck to the OP and I'm thankful nobody got seriously hurt.
#128
What is the "industry standard" when it comes to repair of wheels with sheared spokes? In medical malpractice cases, plaintiff would need to demonstrate that the defendant's action or failure to act fell below the medical industry standard. I believe such a test can be applied here. Would the majority of the wheel repairers agree that WD shouldn't have repaired the wheel(s) at all?
If the industry norm is to not repair wheels in like condition, then WD is likely culpable, regardless of whatever disclaimer they asserted.
I also feel that mrdeezy is culpable. Trying to limit loss by KNOWINGLY pass on a defective product that can endanger the well being of the end user is offensive. Mrdeezy should be thankful that Don and his daughter weren't hurt, otherwise, the knowing and foreseeable element of the legal equation would have landed him in an unenviable position.
I am not sure what kind of resolution Don would want. Another member mentioned legal action. I think the proper way to do it is to bring an action against mrdeezy (since Don bought the wheels from him), then mrdeezy can bring WD in as co-defendant. Let the court decide which one is primarily liable and which one is contributorily liable and who should pay what to Don. If there is little doubt about liability, let the court decide the proper remedies. Otherwise, it seems like we are at a stand still where mrdeezy admits wrong doing but says Don should go for WD, who has the deeper pocket and WD seems to suggest go for mrdeezy, whom Don bought the wheels from.
If the industry norm is to not repair wheels in like condition, then WD is likely culpable, regardless of whatever disclaimer they asserted.
I also feel that mrdeezy is culpable. Trying to limit loss by KNOWINGLY pass on a defective product that can endanger the well being of the end user is offensive. Mrdeezy should be thankful that Don and his daughter weren't hurt, otherwise, the knowing and foreseeable element of the legal equation would have landed him in an unenviable position.
I am not sure what kind of resolution Don would want. Another member mentioned legal action. I think the proper way to do it is to bring an action against mrdeezy (since Don bought the wheels from him), then mrdeezy can bring WD in as co-defendant. Let the court decide which one is primarily liable and which one is contributorily liable and who should pay what to Don. If there is little doubt about liability, let the court decide the proper remedies. Otherwise, it seems like we are at a stand still where mrdeezy admits wrong doing but says Don should go for WD, who has the deeper pocket and WD seems to suggest go for mrdeezy, whom Don bought the wheels from.
#129
What up J?
They have time to neg rep too like it matters!!!
I have a feeling everything will work out as long as no one got hurt!!
They have time to neg rep too like it matters!!!
I have a feeling everything will work out as long as no one got hurt!!
reading this thread seriously makes me sick to my stomach. I will make sure that nobody I know EVER goes to wheel dynamics or fast forward wheels. besides the obvious fact that someone could've got seriously hurt in this situation, there is no remorse. you guys are too busy to respond and be honest in this thread but have plenty of time to modify your old threads and try to cover your tracks?? DISGUSTING. Karma is a b1tch. Best of luck to the OP and I'm thankful nobody got seriously hurt.
#130
You guys just must not be as talented as WB
Or you have some business ethics
I hope that IB will make some definitive statement about this incident when it is finally closed. A powerful message needs to be sent to the cite sponsors because WB is not the ONLY company that is sticking it to the members of 6Speedonline!
#131
Wow...I just spent 1 hour reading all this..cant believe it...
Only thing I will say to WD..Just as a advice..Bad publicity can be good if you do the RIGHT thing....If I were running a wheel company and this occurred, as soon i got wind of what was going on. I would of gone above and beyond..Possibly given a new set of wheels to the OP. This would of prevented this thread from continuing and you would of picked up a few customers and turned a bad publicity into a good one. Instead trying to blame some else is childish and bad business practice.
Just my 2 cents..I hope everyone involved gets this resolved and has a good outcome.
Only thing I will say to WD..Just as a advice..Bad publicity can be good if you do the RIGHT thing....If I were running a wheel company and this occurred, as soon i got wind of what was going on. I would of gone above and beyond..Possibly given a new set of wheels to the OP. This would of prevented this thread from continuing and you would of picked up a few customers and turned a bad publicity into a good one. Instead trying to blame some else is childish and bad business practice.
Just my 2 cents..I hope everyone involved gets this resolved and has a good outcome.
#132
All,
As a lawyer, at this point, I believe the OP has indicated he will be filing suit. Thus, it makes sense for everyone to quiet down and let that process move forward with as little extraneous and uninformed comment or opinion as possible. If the allegations are true, something very troubling apparently went on, and I have no doubt that a court of competent jurisdiction will concur. Who, exactly, is to blame (and what %age of blame to be apportioned) will be determined. I can make a determination, but I'm going to refrain from commenting further.
CW
As a lawyer, at this point, I believe the OP has indicated he will be filing suit. Thus, it makes sense for everyone to quiet down and let that process move forward with as little extraneous and uninformed comment or opinion as possible. If the allegations are true, something very troubling apparently went on, and I have no doubt that a court of competent jurisdiction will concur. Who, exactly, is to blame (and what %age of blame to be apportioned) will be determined. I can make a determination, but I'm going to refrain from commenting further.
CW
#133
I have come to this forum on a direct-link from rennlist - word spreading I guess. I think there's agreement that both WD and Joe were cavalier with someone else's safety and life (wonder if Eli would take his kids on a ride using those same wheels he fixed). The pervasive feeling is that WD (Eli) as well as Joe placed profit above ethics.
The question at this point (at least for me) is whether WD will be allowed to remain a board sponsor, and if affirmative, maybe a conclusive explanation of the decision so we the members do not feel that the mighty dollar has won again.
For better or worse, the buck has been passed to the board and a decision must be made. Part of me wonders how would the board feel if WD is given a pass and this happens again?
The question at this point (at least for me) is whether WD will be allowed to remain a board sponsor, and if affirmative, maybe a conclusive explanation of the decision so we the members do not feel that the mighty dollar has won again.
For better or worse, the buck has been passed to the board and a decision must be made. Part of me wonders how would the board feel if WD is given a pass and this happens again?
#134
seems like someone is not happy and giving neg rep right after I posted yesterday on this thread.
Anyone who got neg rep, let me know I will give you some posi rep.
Apparently this has gone viral. It is on rennlist and a few bimmer forums I think.
Anyone who got neg rep, let me know I will give you some posi rep.
Apparently this has gone viral. It is on rennlist and a few bimmer forums I think.